"The Secret Pro" on Katusha and doping

[martinvickers]

also about the "secret pro" i am going with him being australian and he has obviously been told the tale of the dirty south europeans and russians stealing the clean anglophone riders deserved wins by his mother while he was growing up.

Could we quit with this silly reverse racism sh!te!

-It is patently obvious that the most notorious doper of recent vintage was an American, on an american team, with a western european DS.

We can all name Irish, British, american and Australia riders who have doped, and done so on a pretty serious level. Many have continued doubts.

But if you are seriously trying to avoid the reality of a serious and obvious cultural problem in, for example, cycling in Spain and Russia, you are kidding yourself.

So enough of this "anglos v slavs" or "anglos v latins" bullsh!t, and actually address some issues - i don't gick a fiddler's f*ck where a doper comes from; i just want them caught and thrown out. And if that means certain teams and certain countries take a bigger hit because there is worse historic problem, tough t*tty.

That goes for American Sprinters, Chinese Swimmers, Argentinian footballers, Greek athletes, Bulgarian and turkish weightlifters, Irish eventers, British rugby players..and yes, spanish and russian cyclists.

There. Now I'm racist against everybody, including myself, ok? now let's get on with it.

 

[esafosfina]

Could we quit with this silly reverse racism sh!te!

-It is patently obvious that the most notorious doper of recent vintage was an American, on an american team, with a western european DS.

We can all name Irish, British, american and Australia riders who have doped, and done so on a pretty serious level. Many have continued doubts.

But if you are seriously trying to avoid the reality of a serious and obvious cultural problem in, for example, cycling in Spain and Russia, you are kidding yourself.

So enough of this "anglos v slavs" or "anglos v latins" bullsh!t, and actually address some issues - i don't gick a fiddler's f*ck where a doper comes from; i just want them caught and thrown out. And if that means certain teams and certain countries take a bigger hit because there is worse historic problem, tough t*tty.

That goes for American Sprinters, Chinese Swimmers, Argentinian footballers, Greek athletes, Bulgarian and turkish weightlifters, Irish eventers, British rugby players..and yes, spanish and russian cyclists.

There. Now I'm racist against everybody, including myself, ok? now let's get on with it.

Good points well made MV... you awful xenophobe you!

 

[martinvickers]

Good points well made MV... you awful xenophobe you!

I know, I'm incorrigible

 

[BroDeal]

His view of Kimmage mirrors the views of many riders on Sky, and the riders there have often had lockstep opinions on various issues. It's like they have an indoctrination session every week. Just look at what many of their riders and staff said about the Armstrong investigation. So I will guess Porte.

Although Cycling Tips was interesting when it started, it really needs to be viewed as an industry propaganda outlet these days. It is a great example of how blogging changes when the goodies get handed out.

 

[Semper Fidelis]

Could we quit with this silly reverse racism sh!te!

-It is patently obvious that the most notorious doper of recent vintage was an American, on an american team, with a western european DS.

We can all name Irish, British, american and Australia riders who have doped, and done so on a pretty serious level. Many have continued doubts.

But if you are seriously trying to avoid the reality of a serious and obvious cultural problem in, for example, cycling in Spain and Russia, you are kidding yourself.

So enough of this "anglos v slavs" or "anglos v latins" bullsh!t, and actually address some issues - i don't gick a fiddler's f*ck where a doper comes from; i just want them caught and thrown out. And if that means certain teams and certain countries take a bigger hit because there is worse historic problem, tough t*tty.

That goes for American Sprinters, Chinese Swimmers, Argentinian footballers, Greek athletes, Bulgarian and turkish weightlifters, Irish eventers, British rugby players..and yes, spanish and russian cyclists.

There. Now I'm racist against everybody, including myself, ok? now let's get on with it.

It is great to know that Merikah is the best at doping. Well best at it until he got busted.

 

[Netserk]

Just another guy who.claims all the English speakers are clean. I had enough of that with lance.




I swear here in Britain doping is the first thing that comes up for contador

 

[Semper Fidelis]

His view of Kimmage mirrors the views of many riders on Sky, and the riders there have often had lockstep opinions on various issues. It's like they have an indoctrination session every week. Just look at what many of their riders and staff said about the Armstrong investigation. So I will guess Porte.

Although Cycling Tips was interesting when it started, it really needs to be viewed as an industry propaganda outlet these days. It is a great example of how blogging changes when the goodies get handed out.

Bro I agree with this 100%

Amazing what will happen and evolve over the times.

 

[hfer07]

"the Secret Pro" is to me a load of BS. how that can be beneficial to the sport when the so called "source" is cowardly hiding behind a pseudo-name to say what "cannot" be confirmed or denied? this thing is going to be at best a source of low class dirty laundry gossiping BS that is going to generate the wrong attention to the sport, instead of promoting what takes place on the road, in the races.

 

[Semper Fidelis]

news and doping...same same. ...

 

[the sceptic]

On the topic of the UCI points structure, Katusha is obviously pretty upset that they didn’t get their World Tour license approved. I don’t know any more than anyone else, but honestly, how the hell did they ever expect get a license? A lot of their riders are under investigation and the peloton talk is that they’re not exactly the most trustworthy team. They’re not the only team that has the finger pointed at them either. In cycling, where there’s smoke there’s fire.

Those dirty eastern europeans. Should have stopped doing it in 2006 like everyone else. Or maybe they should have taken a trip to the SKY propaganda school.

 

[TheGame]

It's obviously an Australian rider with a strong Anglo bias, but who is he?

First post of the thread, and already you are wrong, wrong wrong.

But its largely irrelevant, read what he has to say, don't worry so much who he is, although I agree with most, fans are called nameless ***** hiding behind anonymity, and yet...

 

[18-Valve. (pithy)]

First post of the thread, and already you are wrong, wrong wrong.

But its largely irrelevant, read what he has to say, don't worry so much who he is, although I agree with most, fans are called nameless ***** hiding behind anonymity, and yet...

He has nothing new to say... that much is obvious. No new insights anywhere.

As for the Anglo bias... it's clear as day. I guess he doesn't have to be Anglo himself, though. My bad! So... is it Bernie Eisel?

 

[Dazed and Confused]

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As for the Anglo bias... it's clear as day. I guess he doesn't have to be Anglo himself, though. My bad! So... is it Bernie Eisel?

Does he even have an opinion of his own?

 

[martinvickers]

"the Secret Pro" is to me a load of BS. how that can be beneficial to the sport when the so called "source" is cowardly hiding behind a pseudo-name to say what "cannot" be confirmed or denied? this thing is going to be at best a source of low class dirty laundry gossiping BS that is going to generate the wrong attention to the sport, instead of promoting what takes place on the road, in the races.

Interesting name you've got there yourself, hfer07. Is it a family name?

 

[18-Valve. (pithy)]

Does he even have an opinion of his own?

No, but does he need to? He's not saying anything new. BroDeal has a good point here in that it looks like it could be someone from Sky:

His view of Kimmage mirrors the views of many riders on Sky, and the riders there have often had lockstep opinions on various issues. It's like they have an indoctrination session every week. Just look at what many of their riders and staff said about the Armstrong investigation.

The secret pro could easily be Eisel with the "high-profile roommate" and "top guy" being Cav. Granted, the word "doping" isn't the first thing that comes up when I google his name, but YMMV. Or maybe it did come up at the time they googled it, but not anymore.

 

[Libertine Seguros]

It's a nice idea, but you could just follow Jimmy Engoulvent instead.

 

[TheGame]

He has nothing new to say... that much is obvious. No new insights anywhere.

As for the Anglo bias... it's clear as day. I guess he doesn't have to be Anglo himself, though. My bad! So... is it Bernie Eisel?

I have realized that following clinic logic this is an impossible conversation.

Consider the following options:

A poster knows who the mystery pro is, they can then either:
a) Tell everyone who it is, and blow the riders anonymity or
b) Not tell and be told by everyone else that they don't actually know who it is and that they are making it up.
Or A poster doesn't know who the mystery pro is, they can then either
a) Tell everyone they do know who it is, but isn't prepared to say, which takes you back to option b
b) Or say they don't know who the mystery pro is in which case the clinic will decide that they do in fact know but aren't prepared to say.
c) Or they can guess

If I didn't know who the mystery pro was, I would guess, that judging by the grammar, that the original article wasn't written in English and the "ghost writer" translated it into English.

The secret pro could easily be Eisel with the "high-profile roommate" and "top guy" being Cav. Granted, the word "doping" isn't the first thing that comes up when I google his name, but YMMV. Or maybe it did come up at the time they googled it, but not anymore.

You think Fester would let one of his riders write a blog?

 

[Dazed and Confused]

No, but does he need to? He's not saying anything new. BroDeal has a good point here in that it looks like it could be someone from Sky:



The secret pro could easily be Eisel with the "high-profile roommate" and "top guy" being Cav. Granted, the word "doping" isn't the first thing that comes up when I google his name, but YMMV. Or maybe it did come up at the time they googled it, but not anymore.

Same old drivel in this installment, but unless everybody involved with "The Secret Pro" wants to avoid looking like a bunch of kids in a sandbox throwing toys around we better get down to business soon. Eisel it is for now....

 

[18-Valve. (pithy)]

^ Point taken.

I have realized that following clinic logic this is an impossible conversation.

Consider the following options:

A poster knows who the mystery pro is, they can then either:
a) Tell everyone who it is, and blow the riders anonymity or

'preciate the info.

Why protect a coward, though, who didn't even write a remotely interesting blog post to begin with? You basically called him a coward yourself. So... what's the problem?

 

[taiwan]

I guess Steve Cummings.

 

[blackcat]

I have. I know his blog is kind of weird but for the aforementioned reasons, it could be lloyd.

if it is australian, it would be either lloyd or clarke. i go to lloyd too acf.

you see him in the lampre kit 'round st kilda.

 

[TheGame]

^ Point taken.



'preciate the info.

Why protect a coward, though, who didn't even write a remotely interesting blog post to begin with? You basically called him a coward yourself. So... what's the problem?

Well I guess the Katusha comments alone, if Katusha win their appeal maybe he doesn't want the entire team chasing him down if he gets in a break

 

[Dear Wiggo]

Remember to read it from the bottom up.

Agree, other than reading Chris Horner.

But, I would love someone to tell me how this first post is any better than what Chris Horner recently said in his interview...?

 

[fasthill]

The guy isn't an English speaker so you can discount the Aussies. Wade is friends with some Dutch and Belgian guys, I'm sure it's one of them.

What a coward though. But then again, it's what pro cycling has become. Sad that Wade is in that hogwash too.

 

[blackcat]

The guy isn't an English speaker so you can discount the Aussies. Wade is friends with some Dutch and Belgian guys, I'm sure it's one of them.

What a coward though. But then again, it's what pro cycling has become. Sad that Wade is in that hogwash too.

^

there was a Skil-Shimano rider who did the 2010 Geelong loop/circuit and Wade followed him, or the Dutch guy had the video on his bike. The Dutch guy had an Aussie girlfriend or spent time with his partner in Aus in the offseason. could be him