"The Secret Pro" on Katusha and doping

[The Hitch]

Hitch was presenting a bit of a strawman. He compared O'Grady to Santa, and basically said O'Grady was ok but Santa's wasn't, because of the different eras:

Ahh, got it. It was not Euros/Aussies it was the late 90's vs today.

I think most would agree that the acceptance of using EPO is vastly different today then it was in the late 90's

Today? What about 2000's? Becuase mr secret pro is far less accepting of other riders who rode in an epo era but aren't Australian.

Same article

Speaking of past performance-enhancing methods, there are a lot of guys in the peloton who aren’t the riders they used to be only a few years ago. I won’t name names, but there’s a few elephants in the peloton who I’m sure you’re aware of. It astounds me that some are even Grand Tour winners. Should these guys be applauded for changing their ways now that we see they’re not the riders they once were? Well, I don’t think it was their choice really. They’ve gained much of their success, money, and notoriety through doping, but now have a lot to lose if caught.

lol, he doesn't think it was their choice to stop doping. But in Ogrady's case, it wasn't his choice to dope in the first place. What a hillarious difference in standards depending on who the rider is.

Who are those riders anyway. Obviously Contador. Basso, Kashechkin, Menchov, Valverde? Cobo. All of these guys doped through heavy epo periods of the mid to late 2000's even early 2000's.


There was also the hillarious bit in that piece about how fast times now are ok because the riders do less attacks (or so he imagines) . Contador Verbier must therefore also have been clean cos he only put in 1 attack.

 

[Fearless Greg Lemond]

I liked the Pellizotti part, stereotyping, as usual, what a Saint this Secret Pro. Garmin Crap all over him. What a Saint.

 

[roundabout]

Yeah, poor Pellizotti. He is a bit topical, but he is hardly the first doper to get back to the top.

 

[Netserk]

I somehow doubt that he think the same about Millar...

 

[pastronef]

So, not Koen de Kort then. The writer states he's still in talks with his national fed on a possible worlds selection. The Dutch selection is final and KdK is not in.

before that Koen has broken his collarbone, so he could not be racing

 

[ToreBear]

Today? What about 2000's? Becuase mr secret pro is far less accepting of other riders who rode in an epo era but aren't Australian.

Same article

lol, he doesn't think it was their choice to stop doping. But in Ogrady's case, it wasn't his choice to dope in the first place. What a hillarious difference in standards depending on who the rider is.

Who are those riders anyway. Obviously Contador. Basso, Kashechkin, Menchov, Valverde? Cobo. All of these guys doped through heavy epo periods of the mid to late 2000's even early 2000's.


There was also the hillarious bit in that piece about how fast times now are ok because the riders do less attacks (or so he imagines) . Contador Verbier must therefore also have been clean cos he only put in 1 attack.

Damiano Cunego.....

 

[Race Radio]

Today? What about 2000's? Becuase mr secret pro is far less accepting of other riders who rode in an epo era but aren't Australian.

Do you have an example? What rider from the 90's has he gone after?

 

[Race Radio]

I somehow doubt that he think the same about Millar...

Why is that? He has been pretty critical of Garmin and JV, in fact he says clearly he does not like JV

 

[Libertine Seguros]

Who are those riders anyway. Obviously Contador. Basso, Kashechkin, Menchov, Valverde? Cobo. All of these guys doped through heavy epo periods of the mid to late 2000's even early 2000's

Seriously, why the dogpile on Cobo? Not so much as named in an investigation.

 

[Race Radio]

Daryl Impey?

 

[ToreBear]

Why is that? He has been pretty critical of Garmin and JV, in fact he says clearly he does not like JV

He has? When did he say he didn't like JV?

 

[manafana]

to fair pellizotti didnt exactly admit an ounce of guilt hes convinced hes never doped

 

[Race Radio]

He has? When did he say he didn't like JV?

I took this to be directed at JV

who the hell is this one DS in particular to be pointing fingers? But at the same time, I trust the guy. He’s a ***, but you gotta like what he’s doing.

 

[ToreBear]

I took this to be directed at JV

Ah ok, can't say I remember that line, could you link it?

 

[Race Radio]

Ah ok, can't say I remember that line, could you link it?

http://cyclingtips.com.au/2012/12/the-secret-pro-the-off-season/

It was shortly after JV outed a bunch of his riders here and had been pretty public in the Armstrong case. Has has also been critical of Garmin not signing Tyler

 

[ToreBear]

http://cyclingtips.com.au/2012/12/the-secret-pro-the-off-season/

It was shortly after JV outed a bunch of his riders here and had been pretty public in the Armstrong case. Has has also been critical of Garmin not signing Tyler

Thanks, yep, that could certainly be JV.

 

[del1962]

Daryl Impey?

Darryl Impey said on twitter on 24th August

Proud to be riding World Champs in Italy this year. Won't be doing the ITT , focus on the TTT and worlds RR.

This contradicts what the secret Pro says about worlds RR in latest piece

 

[The Hitch]

Do you have an example? What rider from the 90's has he gone after?

I said 2000's not 1990's. Was 2000's not an epo era ? Was no one else doping when contador was winning tdf titles?

 

[The Hitch]

Seriously, why the dogpile on Cobo? Not so much as named in an investigation.

The quote didn't say they had so much as been linked in an investigation, only that their performances had fallen big time.

, there are a lot of guys in the peloton who aren’t the riders they used to be only a few years ago.

I like how a downward performance curb is heavily suspicious but the same performance curb reversed is perfectly fine.

Not just to sp. Kirby who claims sky have proved beyond doubt that froome is clean, used the same thing on cunego.

 

[Race Radio]

I said 2000's not 1990's. Was 2000's not an epo era ? Was no one else doping when contador was winning tdf titles?

The Secret Pro was clearly referring to the 90's. And, unlike your claim, he was not giving a pass to an Aussie he was giving a pass to an era

Some were doing EPO when Contador was winning but nothing like the 90's. I know you like climbing times.....In 1997 over 60 riders broke 45 minutes on Alp d'Huez in 2007 18 did.

 

[Ferminal]

2008? Pretty hard when only 30 arrived at Bourg d'Oisans after Galibier and Croix de Fer. 1997 was a flat stage.

 

[Race Radio]

2008? Pretty hard when only 30 arrived at Bourg d'Oisans after Galibier and Croix de Fer. 1997 was a flat stage.

You can pick another year if you like. None had anything close 60 riders breaking 45.

Most would agree the sport has changed significantly since 1998. Not just the methods but also the participation and acceptance of doping in the sport....which was the SP point to begin with

 

[Bannockburn]

Pretty up to date too with the Nibali wasp/cortisone issue. You really get the feeling this is ghost written by a journo based on some rider(s) feedback...

It is. Cyclingtips has stated as much.

http://cyclingtips.com.au/2013/05/the-secret-pro-hoax-or-not/

Are TSP’s columns ghost-written? Yes, in order to provide an extra layer of anonymity lest someone recognise his writing style or phrases he uses. But this is hardly a revelation: we announced that the column would be ghost-written before it even began. And yes, we sometimes do rephrase things TSP has told us, as any ghost-writer would, in order to protect his identity. But everything we write is sent back to TSP for approval before we publish and tweaked if he has any concerns.

 

[Kazistuta]

When comparing start lists for the somewhat confirmed races, TSP has raced this year (I took Tour Down Under, Amstel, Turkey, Tour De France and the Canadian races next weekend), no rider name appears on all. Quite a lot of names show up on all bar one:

Elia Favilli
Enrico Gasparotto (The general consensus of Italian riders, except for maybe Cunego these days, seem to be that their doping stance is.. well rather lacklustre)

The Izaguirre brothers (Spanish riders in this type of Article series? Don't think so)

Koen De Kort
Albert Timmer (both left out of the Canadian races, which seems like certains for TSP)

Darryl Impey (Would definitely be my guess with the current info)

Blel Kadri
Amáel Moinard
Jerome Pineau (The French could be very vocal against doping, but an Australian page with a French speaking contact?Nah, Pineau would be the best option)

Andy Schleck (Unlikely to talk about his brother)

Peter Velits (Actually rather likely if it hadn't been for his own "sudden drop in performance" since Vuelta ´10)

 

[The Hitch]

You can pick another year if you like. None had anything close 60 riders breaking 45.

2004

Most would agree the sport has changed significantly since 1998.

Most people would agree is not an argument. Never. Its just a statement that people believe something.

But you are being very vague as a whole and just repeating the same vague points. You think the attitude has changed. Ok I agree it has changed somewhat. But we are in 2013. The mid 2000's lie between the 90's and today. When did this change take place? How do you know. 2006 and 7 tours had the most scandals, the fastest climbs, and a very large number of stage winners who have since been found to dope.

6 different riders won the 6 grand tours in those years, and of those 5 have since been caught doping and the 6th retired while being examined in investigations.

We know for a fact that several teams involved in those tours did team wide doping.

So what was the difference. Why was it ok to dope in 1998 and not 2005, 2006, 2007?