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Krebs cycle

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Lanark said:
Wiggins was a regular autobus-farer before his remarkable and virtually unprecedented jump in performance in 2009.
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Go to the other sky thread.

This is what everyone is hanging their hat on and it is a fallacy. If you look at his ITT results over that period there is NO LARGE change compared with Tony Martin or Cancellara.
 
Havetts

Havetts

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Krebs cycle said:
Go to the other sky thread.

This is what everyone is hanging their hat on and it is a fallacy. If you look at his ITT results over that period there is NO LARGE change compared with Tony Martin or Cancellara.
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Yea going from place 20 to beating the World Champion and 4-time former world champion isnt a large change.. :rolleyes:

Oh wait got to credit the marginal power gains with mass weight loss. Sorry guys, I almost forgot.
 
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hrotha

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Krebs cycle said:
Go to the other sky thread.

This is what everyone is hanging their hat on and it is a fallacy. If you look at his ITT results over that period there is NO LARGE change compared with Tony Martin or Cancellara.
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What? How can you say that with a straight face? Wiggins was a good time-trialer up to 2008, not world-class. And that was his speciality, and he was already 28. Then he dropped some weight and somehow managed to improve both his climbing AND his time-trialing.
 
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nuggs1

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4 time world champ still not in complete peak form due to collar bone brake,
Tony martin with a broken wrist.

you forget how selective you have to be with the facts when cooking up a conspiracy
 
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red_death

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Havetts said:
Yea going from place 20 to beating the World Champion and 4-time former world champion isnt a large change.. :rolleyes:
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TM with a broken wrist (plus mechanical) and FC looking decidedly out of form on a course that suited BW and CF much more than a pancake flat course would have done :rolleyes:

If BW and CF are suspicious then explain away Nibbles's or TJVG performances in the TT
 
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function

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roundabout said:
How many pursuiters finished top 10 in a GT in the last 20 years?

Bradley McGee.

Berzin. (haha)

Who else?
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Not 20 years but Rudi Altig in 1962

1959: 1st WC amateur pursuit
1960: 1st WC elite pursuit
1961: 1st WC elite pursuit
1962: 1st TDF Points classification
31st overall +1hr18min
1962: 1st Vuelta GC
 
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andy1234

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Havetts said:
Yea going from place 20 to beating the World Champion and 4-time former world champion isnt a large change.. :rolleyes:

Oh wait got to credit the marginal power gains with mass weight loss. Sorry guys, I almost forgot.
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Do your homework.

2007 TDF stage 13 Albi TT. 54km

Take out Vino and Kashechkin, who were caught doping, and Wiggins is a top 3 finisher....in a tour de france time trial.....5 years ago.

Wow, he's really made a huge leap in 5 years.:rolleyes:

1.VINOKOUROV A.AST1h 06' 34"
2.EVANS C.PRL0 1' 14"
3.KLÖDEN A.AST0 1' 39"
4.KASHECHKIN A.AST0 1' 44"
5.WIGGINS B.COF 02' 14"
6.POPOVYCH Y.DSC 02' 16"
7.CONTADOR A.DSC 02' 18"
8.CHAVANEL S.COF 02' 38"
9.LEIPHEIMER L.DSC 02' 39"
10.ASTARLOZA M.EUS 02' 42"
 
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Lanark

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function said:
Not 20 years but Rudi Altig in 1962

1959: 1st WC amateur pursuit
1960: 1st WC elite pursuit
1961: 1st WC elite pursuit
1962: 1st TDF Points classification
31st overall +1hr18min
1962: 1st Vuelta GC
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Ah, Die Rollende Apotheke, what a good example.
 
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hrotha

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andy1234 said:
Do your homework.

2007 TDF stage 13 Albi TT. 54km

Take out Vino and Kashechkin, who were caught doping, and Wiggins is a top 3 finisher....in a tour de france time trial.....5 years ago.

Wow, he's really made a huge leap in 5 years.:rolleyes:

1.VINOKOUROV A.AST1h 06' 34"
2.EVANS C.PRL0 1' 14"
3.KLÖDEN A.AST0 1' 39"
4.KASHECHKIN A.AST0 1' 44"
5.WIGGINS B.COF 02' 14"
6.POPOVYCH Y.DSC 02' 16"
7.CONTADOR A.DSC 02' 18"
8.CHAVANEL S.COF 02' 38"
9.LEIPHEIMER L.DSC 02' 39"
10.ASTARLOZA M.EUS 02' 42"
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We all know about Albi. How many more results like that can you find?

He wasn't consistently up there. He was good, but not world-class. Simple as that.
 
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andy1234

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hrotha said:
We all know about Albi. How many more results like that can you find?

He wasn't consistently up there. He was good, but not world-class. Simple as that.
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Consistency is something that comes with specialization.
Time trial results aren't fluked, you either have the power, or you don't.

Simple as that.
 
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roundabout

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function said:
Not 20 years but Rudi Altig in 1962

1959: 1st WC amateur pursuit
1960: 1st WC elite pursuit
1961: 1st WC elite pursuit
1962: 1st TDF Points classification
31st overall +1hr18min
1962: 1st Vuelta GC
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60's Vuelta while a GT, is kind of a bad example being by far and a way the least mountainous of all grand tours back then.

Wait, scratch that. By far, far and a way the least mountainous. That's better.

Also, I see that Elliott finished 3rd. Hardly a sign of a tough route. And finally, 60's? Might as well use Coppi then. At least he could win Tours and Giros
 
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red_death

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hrotha said:
We all know about Albi. How many more results like that can you find?

He wasn't consistently up there. He was good, but not world-class. Simple as that.
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What like 2nd at 2011 World TT?
TdF 2010 stage 19 9th
TdF 2009 stage 18 6th
Giro 2009 stage 12 7th
Giro 2009 stage 21 2nd (admittedly shorter course)
Giro 2008 stage 21 4th

So there is plenty of form. Couple that with an injured TM and FC and it isn't the shock you are making it out to be.
 
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And you all ought to remember that Bradley Wiggins has of course been training harder and with more focus then the other contenders. Only members of Team Sky put in that amount of work and dedication.

It's a miracle they don't posses the first five spots in the GC. I'm appalled that their hard work doesn't pay off more. Remember: (Quote Brajkovic) Hard Work + Determination = Succes and only Sky has both components.

And of course a swimming coach. Experts on endurance sports.
 
will10

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andy1234 said:
Do your homework.

2007 TDF stage 13 Albi TT. 54km

Take out Vino and Kashechkin, who were caught doping, and Wiggins is a top 3 finisher....in a tour de france time trial.....5 years ago.

Wow, he's really made a huge leap in 5 years.:rolleyes:

1.VINOKOUROV A.AST1h 06' 34"
2.EVANS C.PRL0 1' 14"
3.KLÖDEN A.AST0 1' 39"
4.KASHECHKIN A.AST0 1' 44"
5.WIGGINS B.COF 02' 14"
6.POPOVYCH Y.DSC 02' 16"
7.CONTADOR A.DSC 02' 18"
8.CHAVANEL S.COF 02' 38"
9.LEIPHEIMER L.DSC 02' 39"
10.ASTARLOZA M.EUS 02' 42"
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Well he's gained three minutes on Evans in five years.
 
will10

will10

Dec 27, 2010
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andy1234 said:
3 whole minutes in 5 years?

That is completely unbelievable.

Its as if he has been p r o g r e s s i n g.....:eek:

Maybe he's been practicing, the little devil.
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Not to mention the Albi time trial is the only one pre-2009 that was anywhere near that level?

How about the hours he's gained in the mountains?
 
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VeloCity

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andy1234 said:
Do your homework.

2007 TDF stage 13 Albi TT. 54km

Take out Vino and Kashechkin, who were caught doping, and Wiggins is a top 3 finisher....in a tour de france time trial.....5 years ago.

Wow, he's really made a huge leap in 5 years.:rolleyes:

1.VINOKOUROV A.AST1h 06' 34"
2.EVANS C.PRL0 1' 14"
3.KLÖDEN A.AST0 1' 39"
4.KASHECHKIN A.AST0 1' 44"
5.WIGGINS B.COF 02' 14"
6.POPOVYCH Y.DSC 02' 16"
7.CONTADOR A.DSC 02' 18"
8.CHAVANEL S.COF 02' 38"
9.LEIPHEIMER L.DSC 02' 39"
10.ASTARLOZA M.EUS 02' 42"
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That he's in the company of those particular names is supposed to make Wiggins look less like a doper? ;)
 
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Ferminal

Jul 3, 2009
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will10 said:
Well he's gained three minutes on Evans in five years.
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That's the second best TT Evans has ever done. Last week's effort wouldn't be close to his top10 (although it wasn't the "shocker" people seem to be making out to be).

Also the Albi weather was changing that day. Wiggins went early, I believe was half perfect conditions, half rain. Most then had rain and wet roads until the pointy end when the rain disappeared but roads were still wet.
 
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The Real GFY

Jul 14, 2012
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Shakes said:
And you all ought to remember that Bradley Wiggins has of course been training harder and with more focus then the other contenders. Only members of Team Sky put in that amount of work and dedication.

It's a miracle they don't posses the first five spots in the GC. I'm appalled that their hard work doesn't pay off more. Remember: (Quote Brajkovic) Hard Work + Determination = Succes and only Sky has both components.

And of course a swimming coach. Experts on endurance sports.
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I could be wrong, but I think it was Froome that said the bolded part (it does not change your point though :))
 
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