The Yates (AKA the TUE Brothers)

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In his fist serious GC attemp Adam is climbing better than Quintana, and TTing as good as Porte. Not bad at all!
 
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last couple of brother pairs where one of them got caught it was also game over for the other. Directly (Maxim Inglinskiy) or Indirectly (like Andy Schleck).
 
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DFA123 said:
Presumably Sky can't touch Simon given their zero tolerance policy. Or will they make, yet another exception? :rolleyes:
I'm guessing they'll say it wasn't a doping offence just a clerical error.
 
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Guybrush said:
In his fist serious GC attemp Adam is climbing better than Quintana, and TTing as good as Porte. Not bad at all!
Well, yeah, exactly.

And a bit of context, please: Quintana is sub par and lots of others are climbing better than him.
 
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kwikki said:
No, it's just another crybaby session against British riders because they are good, and therefore must be doping against all the poor innocent snow white riders in the peloton.

Yates will have to move to Sky quickly, otherwise the whole narrative about Cookson allowing just Sky to dope will stop working, and we wouldn't want that, would we.

Cry me a river.
 
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In his fist serious GC attemp Adam is climbing better than Quintana, and TTing as good as Porte. Not bad at all!

Yates to Sky is almost a sure thing you'd have to think.

last couple of brother pairs where one of them got caught it was also game over for the other. Directly (Maxim Inglinskiy) or Indirectly (like Andy Schleck).\

"No, it's just another crybaby session against British riders because they are good, and therefore must be doping against all the poor innocent snow white riders in the peloton."

Yates will have to move to Sky quickly, otherwise the whole narrative about Cookson allowing just Sky to dope will stop working, and we wouldn't want that, would we.

Where anywhere on this thread is there even a mention of anything to do with anything being british. Get your oversize fanboy head out of your arse and stop trying to turn everyones very straightforward comments into something they are not just to make you sound grandiose

No one said Yates is british he must be dirty as you have suggested and no one is being a cry baby about anything

They are questioning a situation to ask whether it is real or sensible or miraculous.

If you have proof that other 23 yr olds in their first GC did what Adam is doing then please share those with us
If you have anything to suggest that Adam would not be on Sky radar (other than the fact he is obviously a GC talent and they would want him on their super team for either froome next year plus other GC titles of his own or to replace froome) then please feel free to chime in

but your constant whining because people are asking questions of riders who are doing things even lance never had the audacity or stupidity to do is getting tiresome and boring.
 
Loads of riders have done well in their first GC tilt at the same age or younger. That in and of itself isn't all that suspicious other than that it's a high end GC ride (and still, there's over a week where he could capitulate somewhere, like happened to Thomas last year who was 5th at the same point in the race), so while there are reasons to be cynical, that in fairness is not a good one.

Here's a few:
Nairo Quintana (2013 Tour - he was a domestique in the 2012 Vuelta)
Fabio Aru (2014 Giro)
Andy Schleck (2007 Giro)
Jan Ullrich (1996 Tour)
Alejandro Valverde (2003 Vuelta)
Roberto Heras (1997 Vuelta)
Evgeni Berzin (1994 Giro)
Laurent Fignon (1983 Tour, dom in 1982 Giro)
José Rujano Guillén (2005 Giro)
Damiano Cunego (2004 Giro)

Now, of course, you can make what you will of many of those names, but they did have breakout showings in their first GC bids in their early 20s.
 
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It's not like they have rushed Yates into anything. Competitive and top 5 in many 1 week tours over last couple of seasons, gave him a taste of the tour last year and Vuelta before that. Is Yates performing that much better than he has in previous 1 week tours/major races where he's always up there. I hope he survives in the final week but expect him to slip down the GC.

FYI many excellent riders have done well in their early 20's when competing in their first GC push. Hinault won the Vuelta and Tour at the first time of asking and no I'm not saying Yates is a new Hinault, far from it, simply saying don't act as if no one has ever done this before
 
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What a silly thread, suspecting either of these riders of doping is ridiculous. Adam Yates finished second in the tour de l'avenir 2013 behind Ruben Fernandez two years his elder. In his first year as a pro he won the tour of turkey with an impressive solo attack ahead of taaramae, was sixth in the dauphine ahead of high caliber riders like froome or nibali, was in the winning move of san sebastian before crashing. In his second year he was strong in tirreno finishing with alberto on the summit finish, crashed in pais vasco harming his tour preparations, finished in the top 10 on bretagne and psm ahead of some of the best climbers in the world like alberto. Peaked in august winning san sebastian and in the winning move of two in monreal outsprinted by wellens. This year missed out in tirreno due to the summit finish being cancelled and axed his prepation around the tour, was strong in the dauphine finishing third behind froome and porte in the first summit finsh. What's more he went through cc etupes like pinot and bargueil and had numbers comparable to the two riders. Simon has been points world champion and has top 10's in pais vasco, paris nice, dauphine and romandie as well as top 10's in tdf stages. Let's not forget they ride for a team with a frim anti-doping policy run by nice guys with nice riders not people that would dope. If either of these riders dope, there is no hope for cycling as it would mean the entire peleton dopes. END OF STORY. No point in even arguing, this is yet another case of the clinic hitting new lowes and losing credibility, time to shut these threads down before it becomes to late.
 
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Ramon Koran said:
What a silly thread, suspecting either of these riders of doping is ridiculous. Adam Yates finished second in the tour de l'avenir 2013 behind Ruben Fernandez two years his elder. In his first year as a pro he won the tour of turkey with an impressive solo attack ahead of taaramae, was sixth in the dauphine ahead of high caliber riders like froome or nibali, was in the winning move of san sebastian before crashing. In his second year he was strong in tirreno finishing with alberto on the summit finish, crashed in pais vasco harming his tour preparations, finished in the top 10 on bretagne and psm ahead of some of the best climbers in the world like alberto. Peaked in august winning san sebastian and in the winning move of two in monreal outsprinted by wellens. This year missed out in tirreno due to the summit finish being cancelled and axed his prepation around the tour, was strong in the dauphine finishing third behind froome and porte in the first summit finsh. What's more he went through cc etupes like pinot and bargueil and had numbers comparable to the two riders. Simon has been points world champion and has top 10's in pais vasco, paris nice, dauphine and romandie as well as top 10's in tdf stages. Let's not forget they ride for a team with a frim anti-doping policy run by nice guys with nice riders not people that would dope. If either of these riders dope, there is no hope for cycling as it would mean the entire peleton dopes. END OF STORY. No point in even arguing, this is yet another case of the clinic hitting new lowes and losing credibility, time to shut these threads down before it becomes to late.
I think the time for this has been and gone on
 
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kwikki said:
No, it's just another crybaby session against British riders because they are good, and therefore must be doping against all the poor innocent snow white riders in the peloton.

Yates will have to move to Sky quickly, otherwise the whole narrative about Cookson allowing just Sky to dope will stop working, and we wouldn't want that, would we.
Every rider in the peloton is good.

Calling out doping is not a crybaby session. To post like so is trying to antagonise posters, ie baiting and trolling.

1 brother failed a dope test. They ride, race and live together. This is pro cycling, there is a huge culture to cheat and dope.

Cookson has shown little to no interest in dealing with the doping and cheating in the sport except to cover it up by failing to address it and releasing riders names onto a PDF file on UCI website.

When posters call out Sky or other teams most give good strong evidence.

Yates brothers already have a postive and ride for a team run by former dopers. Not hard to add 1 + 1 and get 2.

Easier to bait posters with the anti brit bashing whine.
 
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Benotti69 said:
kwikki said:
No, it's just another crybaby session against British riders because they are good, and therefore must be doping against all the poor innocent snow white riders in the peloton.

Yates will have to move to Sky quickly, otherwise the whole narrative about Cookson allowing just Sky to dope will stop working, and we wouldn't want that, would we.
Every rider in the peloton is good.

Calling out doping is not a crybaby session. To post like so is trying to antagonise posters, ie baiting and trolling.

1 brother failed a dope test. They ride, race and live together. This is pro cycling, there is a huge culture to cheat and dope.

Cookson has shown little to no interest in dealing with the doping and cheating in the sport except to cover it up by failing to address it and releasing riders names onto a PDF file on UCI website.

When posters call out Sky or other teams most give good strong evidence.

Yates borthers already have a postive and ride for a team run by former dopers. Not hard to add 1 + 1 and get 2.

Easier to bait posters with the anti brit bashing whine.
Not Cookson's fault. Remember when he got elected he said he was going to make it so anti-doping was run by an independent agency. These guys have been invisible and Cookson is getting a lot of heat.......oh wait he hasn't got round to sorting out the independent anti-doping body.
 
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Ramon Koran said:
What a silly thread, suspecting either of these riders of doping is ridiculous. Adam Yates finished second in the tour de l'avenir 2013 behind Ruben Fernandez two years his elder. In his first year as a pro he won the tour of turkey with an impressive solo attack ahead of taaramae, was sixth in the dauphine ahead of high caliber riders like froome or nibali, was in the winning move of san sebastian before crashing. In his second year he was strong in tirreno finishing with alberto on the summit finish, crashed in pais vasco harming his tour preparations, finished in the top 10 on bretagne and psm ahead of some of the best climbers in the world like alberto. Peaked in august winning san sebastian and in the winning move of two in monreal outsprinted by wellens. This year missed out in tirreno due to the summit finish being cancelled and axed his prepation around the tour, was strong in the dauphine finishing third behind froome and porte in the first summit finsh. What's more he went through cc etupes like pinot and bargueil and had numbers comparable to the two riders. Simon has been points world champion and has top 10's in pais vasco, paris nice, dauphine and romandie as well as top 10's in tdf stages.


Let's not forget they ride for a team with a frim anti-doping policy run by nice guys with nice riders not people that would dope. If either of these riders dope, there is no hope for cycling as it would mean the entire peleton dopes. END OF STORY. No point in even arguing, this is yet another case of the clinic hitting new lowes and losing credibility, time to shut these threads down before it becomes to late.
First part, well, I agree they don't come completely out of nowhere.

To the 2nd part, well, it you want to argue these riders are clean, don't litter the thread with nonsense please.
 
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Red Rick said:
Ramon Koran said:
What a silly thread, suspecting either of these riders of doping is ridiculous. Adam Yates finished second in the tour de l'avenir 2013 behind Ruben Fernandez two years his elder. In his first year as a pro he won the tour of turkey with an impressive solo attack ahead of taaramae, was sixth in the dauphine ahead of high caliber riders like froome or nibali, was in the winning move of san sebastian before crashing. In his second year he was strong in tirreno finishing with alberto on the summit finish, crashed in pais vasco harming his tour preparations, finished in the top 10 on bretagne and psm ahead of some of the best climbers in the world like alberto. Peaked in august winning san sebastian and in the winning move of two in monreal outsprinted by wellens. This year missed out in tirreno due to the summit finish being cancelled and axed his prepation around the tour, was strong in the dauphine finishing third behind froome and porte in the first summit finsh. What's more he went through cc etupes like pinot and bargueil and had numbers comparable to the two riders. Simon has been points world champion and has top 10's in pais vasco, paris nice, dauphine and romandie as well as top 10's in tdf stages.


Let's not forget they ride for a team with a frim anti-doping policy run by nice guys with nice riders not people that would dope. If either of these riders dope, there is no hope for cycling as it would mean the entire peleton dopes. END OF STORY. No point in even arguing, this is yet another case of the clinic hitting new lowes and losing credibility, time to shut these threads down before it becomes to late.
First part, well, I agree they don't come completely out of nowhere.

To the 2nd part, well, it you want to argue these riders are clean, don't litter the thread with nonsense please.
I thought he was going for a humor post. I mean Orica employ Neil Stephens and Matt White both old school cycling guys.
 
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Red Rick said:
Ramon Koran said:
What a silly thread, suspecting either of these riders of doping is ridiculous. Adam Yates finished second in the tour de l'avenir 2013 behind Ruben Fernandez two years his elder. In his first year as a pro he won the tour of turkey with an impressive solo attack ahead of taaramae, was sixth in the dauphine ahead of high caliber riders like froome or nibali, was in the winning move of san sebastian before crashing. In his second year he was strong in tirreno finishing with alberto on the summit finish, crashed in pais vasco harming his tour preparations, finished in the top 10 on bretagne and psm ahead of some of the best climbers in the world like alberto. Peaked in august winning san sebastian and in the winning move of two in monreal outsprinted by wellens. This year missed out in tirreno due to the summit finish being cancelled and axed his prepation around the tour, was strong in the dauphine finishing third behind froome and porte in the first summit finsh. What's more he went through cc etupes like pinot and bargueil and had numbers comparable to the two riders. Simon has been points world champion and has top 10's in pais vasco, paris nice, dauphine and romandie as well as top 10's in tdf stages.


Let's not forget they ride for a team with a frim anti-doping policy run by nice guys with nice riders not people that would dope. If either of these riders dope, there is no hope for cycling as it would mean the entire peleton dopes. END OF STORY. No point in even arguing, this is yet another case of the clinic hitting new lowes and losing credibility, time to shut these threads down before it becomes to late.
First part, well, I agree they don't come completely out of nowhere.

To the 2nd part, well, it you want to argue these riders are clean, don't litter the thread with nonsense please.
I've argued why they are clean : a linear progression, bags of potential and riding for a team that has no history of doping riders. Those two things are the closest you can get to absolute proof that a rider is clean what more is tthere to add. I have presented FACTS to illustrate my point meanwhile posters are merely speculating with no evidence WHATSOEVER that these riders are doping. IMO there posts are litter not mine, when opening a thread in a clinic there should be concrete evidence of doping not gossip nocense and speculation. I have not seen a singl time someone trying to stop thes threads appearing based on nothing other than a good two week performance, no suspicious high numbers, no evidence of doping... What is the clinic coming to when this is seen as the norm, I understand the need for the clinic but it is being abused and littered with nonsence threads like these as soon as a rider has a decent performance, this is a bad precedent and makes the clinic lose credibility in the cycling world. What was once a place of fighting against doping, showing the dark side of cycling has become a place with as much credibilty as a Tabloid. Surely this needs to be stopped it is not progress and helps no one in no way.
 
No evidence except that one of them was banned for taking Terbutaline... and teammates have tested positive... and DSs have doped as part of program-wide doping... and UKAD has shown incompetence in anti-doping and tolerance for doping... and that Adam is third place in the what is routinely the dirtiest race in the world.

But yeah, I guess. No evidence.
 
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More Strides than Rides said:
No evidence except that one of them was banned for taking Terbutaline... and teammates have tested positive... and DSs have doped as part of program-wide doping... and UKAD has shown incompetence in anti-doping and tolerance for doping... and that Adam is third place in the what is routinely the dirtiest race in the world.

But yeah, I guess. No evidence.
What team mates other than Simon Yates for an inhaler have tested positive?
 
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More Strides than Rides said:
No evidence except that one of them was banned for taking Terbutaline... and teammates have tested positive... and DSs have doped as part of program-wide doping... and UKAD has shown incompetence in anti-doping and tolerance for doping... and that Adam is third place in the what is routinely the dirtiest race in the world.

But yeah, I guess. No evidence.
The only evidence there is one of them testing positive however it appears that it was merely a paperwork problem so not evidence of doping as it is used as a TUE's. The rest of what you are saying is not evidence that the Yates doped, you are merely speculating because THESE things hapenned that the Yates bro's doped. And this is why the clinic is losing credibility we need HARD evidence not speculation based on past events about riders that they may or may not frequent regularly.
 
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Ramon Koran said:
Red Rick said:
Ramon Koran said:
What a silly thread, suspecting either of these riders of doping is ridiculous. Adam Yates finished second in the tour de l'avenir 2013 behind Ruben Fernandez two years his elder. In his first year as a pro he won the tour of turkey with an impressive solo attack ahead of taaramae, was sixth in the dauphine ahead of high caliber riders like froome or nibali, was in the winning move of san sebastian before crashing. In his second year he was strong in tirreno finishing with alberto on the summit finish, crashed in pais vasco harming his tour preparations, finished in the top 10 on bretagne and psm ahead of some of the best climbers in the world like alberto. Peaked in august winning san sebastian and in the winning move of two in monreal outsprinted by wellens. This year missed out in tirreno due to the summit finish being cancelled and axed his prepation around the tour, was strong in the dauphine finishing third behind froome and porte in the first summit finsh. What's more he went through cc etupes like pinot and bargueil and had numbers comparable to the two riders. Simon has been points world champion and has top 10's in pais vasco, paris nice, dauphine and romandie as well as top 10's in tdf stages.


Let's not forget they ride for a team with a frim anti-doping policy run by nice guys with nice riders not people that would dope. If either of these riders dope, there is no hope for cycling as it would mean the entire peleton dopes. END OF STORY. No point in even arguing, this is yet another case of the clinic hitting new lowes and losing credibility, time to shut these threads down before it becomes to late.
First part, well, I agree they don't come completely out of nowhere.

To the 2nd part, well, it you want to argue these riders are clean, don't litter the thread with nonsense please.
I've argued why they are clean : a linear progression, bags of potential and riding for a team that has no history of doping riders. Those two things are the closest you can get to absolute proof that a rider is clean what more is tthere to add. I have presented FACTS to illustrate my point meanwhile posters are merely speculating with no evidence WHATSOEVER that these riders are doping. IMO there posts are litter not mine, when opening a thread in a clinic there should be concrete evidence of doping not gossip nocense and speculation. I have not seen a singl time someone trying to stop thes threads appearing based on nothing other than a good two week performance, no suspicious high numbers, no evidence of doping... What is the clinic coming to when this is seen as the norm, I understand the need for the clinic but it is being abused and littered with nonsence threads like these as soon as a rider has a decent performance, this is a bad precedent and makes the clinic lose credibility in the cycling world. What was once a place of fighting against doping, showing the dark side of cycling has become a place with as much credibilty as a Tabloid. Surely this needs to be stopped it is not progress and helps no one in no way.
The clinic is here so that people can freely discuss doping and the possibilities of doping. It's not up to me or other people to decide we can't discuss the possibilities of a particular rider doping. So don't act like we have to.
 
We can't rely on hard evidence because for dozens of seasons, hard evidence has fallen short through false-negatives, and coverups of true-positives.

Hard evidence has let us down. Waiting for hard evidence led sport into the doped-up mess it is (or was, if that's your take...). Waiting for hard evidence is slow, when the informed speculation has been reliable.

Look at the threads about Iglinsky after LBL. Thenwe get the hard evidence. Look at the threads about Danielson. Thenwe get hard evidence. Look at the threads about Contador in 2010/11. Thenwe get hard evidence. Look at the threads about the Schlecks in 2010. Thenwe get hard evidence. Look at the threads about Ulissi during 2014 Giro. Then we got the hard evidence. Or look at the threads about Menchov, or JTL, or Di Luca, or...

The Clinic has a very good record of speculation. Froome, Quintana, Yateses, Porte, Martin? Just haven't been caught yet. Because history shows that the statement, "haven't been caught yet" is more accurate than "won't be caught (with hard evidence)".

The Clinic is not losing credibility. It may be losing respectability, but that is the consequence of calling spades on fans' favorite riders. Not because the Clinic is wrong.
 
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Ramon Koran said:
Let's not forget they ride for a team with a frim anti-doping policy run by nice guys with nice riders not people that would dope. If either of these riders dope, there is no hope for cycling as it would mean the entire peleton dopes. END OF STORY. No point in even arguing,
phenomenal acuity. gr8 post. couldnt a said it better meself... well, except i would have ventured forth something about muscular christianity and gordonstound alumni
 

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