The Yates (AKA the TUE Brothers)

[Ramon Koran]

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Again for CSC I'm not sure but going that far back to the dark age of cycling brings up problems of corruption whithin the anti-doping organistaion itself, so can't really use them as examples in the new cycling.

The people who run OricaBikeExchange come from the so called dark days of cycling!

Yes and as I explained maybe like many (Millar, Hamilton, Vaughters...) they have learned from dark past and want to bring cycling forward towards cleanliness. That seems likely to me, who better than an ex doper who knows about the problems it causes to stop youngsters from going down that path?

On the other hand, would you trust an ex doper/drug dealer to mentor your kid? I wouldn't...

Every doper I know is an expert in the art of deception.

People change and learn from there mistakes, I see where your coming from but I know people who have come back from deep due to drugs and know advocate not to do it, no reason why no different in cycling.

 

[Ramon Koran]

For anyone having doubts about Orica I suggest you watch backsttage pass of today does Yates or his coach look like people at the hart of doping no! I know It might sound ridiculous but I believe I can spot emotions in eyes but in Yates I see merely a happy young man racing at a dream race not a doper.

 

[More Strides than Rides]

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For anyone having doubts about Orica I suggest you watch backsttage pass of today does Yates or his coach look like people at the hart of doping no! I know It might sound ridiculous but I believe I can spot emotions in eyes but in Yates I see merely a happy young man racing at a dream race not a doper.

Then you haven't been watching other cyclists to see the emotion in their eyes. Even discounting the pschopathy that Armstrong needed to show the visceral emotion like he did, watch any stage won, classic or any GT won in the past 30 years, and ypu'll see the same, genuine emotion.

Dopers work hard. They are emotionally invested. They are putting heart into the compeition. They dope too.

 

[Night Rider]

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For anyone having doubts about Orica I suggest you watch backsttage pass of today does Yates or his coach look like people at the hart of doping no! I know It might sound ridiculous but I believe I can spot emotions in eyes but in Yates I see merely a happy young man racing at a dream race not a doper.

The BSP that starts with Matt White talking? Matt White? The doper that give the big F U to anti doping and hoodwinked ASADA?

Snakes may shed their skin but they don't change underneath.

 

[Saint Unix]

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What a silly thread, suspecting either of these riders of doping is ridiculous. Adam Yates finished second in the tour de l'avenir 2013 behind Ruben Fernandez two years his elder. In his first year as a pro he won the tour of turkey with an impressive solo attack ahead of taaramae, was sixth in the dauphine ahead of high caliber riders like froome or nibali, was in the winning move of san sebastian before crashing. In his second year he was strong in tirreno finishing with alberto on the summit finish, crashed in pais vasco harming his tour preparations, finished in the top 10 on bretagne and psm ahead of some of the best climbers in the world like alberto. Peaked in august winning san sebastian and in the winning move of two in monreal outsprinted by wellens. This year missed out in tirreno due to the summit finish being cancelled and axed his prepation around the tour, was strong in the dauphine finishing third behind froome and porte in the first summit finsh. What's more he went through cc etupes like pinot and bargueil and had numbers comparable to the two riders. Simon has been points world champion and has top 10's in pais vasco, paris nice, dauphine and romandie as well as top 10's in tdf stages. Let's not forget they ride for a team with a frim anti-doping policy run by nice guys with nice riders not people that would dope. If either of these riders dope, there is no hope for cycling as it would mean the entire peleton dopes. END OF STORY. No point in even arguing, this is yet another case of the clinic hitting new lowes and losing credibility, time to shut these threads down before it becomes to late.

Bingo.

 

[Night Rider]

Well saying the 'entire peloton dopes' is ridiculous, it only takes one non-doper to prove that absolute statement wrong. The majority of the peloton would be a more accurate statement.

Nice guys? A doping DS and what's their doctors name again? :lol:

 

[blackcat]

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Sky and Cannondale is another problem as we don't really know what's going on as for USPS I don't recall them doing this however let's not forget about their tight links with the UCI so it's not really a great example in my opinion.

USPS had Dr Don Caitlin at a press conference, who was going to to test Armstrong everyday....yada yada...

As BYO88 says, talk is cheap.

Riis had Daamsgard, I think he was the first cough cough black lung manchester coal mine industrial revolution independent testing

 

[msjett]

I have to say Adam has shown way more potential then Simon from joining OBE, and Simon the banned/not banned brother was originally on Sky's list but they didn't want the Adam.??? But I could have it the wrong way around....

Also just an aside, apart from Simon, there is history for OBE.......There was Daryl Impey who got caught, got temporarily banned.....then cleared....and of course while never banned but admitted that one time (at band camp) he did try the old EPO you have good ol Stuey O, then of course you have a staff that all from the (g)olden days of cycling.....

 

[Galic Ho]

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http://www.greenedgecycling.com/news/-anti-doping-expert-to-review-orica-greenedge-cycling-policies-
What doped team whould allow an anti doping expert to review there policies?[/quote]

Astana 2009.

Lance Armstrong and Don Catlin...ever heard of them?

You're swimming in deep waters here. Best to leave and go back to drinking Evian water. They bottle that in France right? You do know Evian is a play on the word 'naive' right? That's French too right!?!?

Yeah, BlackCat was being mean, but you kind of stepped into the pooh on the ground...just go and watch cycling. Seriously though, this is a win! A Frenchman supporting the English! That's hopeful indeed! Being serious too!!

 

[Galic Ho]

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For anyone having doubts about Orica I suggest you watch backsttage pass of today does Yates or his coach look like people at the hart of doping no! I know It might sound ridiculous but I believe I can spot emotions in eyes but in Yates I see merely a happy young man racing at a dream race not a doper.

I am glad you can see the light of the heart through the eyes of another person.

Truly, that's great.

But what if the light in their eyes is darkness? Did you consider that?

Oh wait, you did the 'mum test' which comprises of looking at him and seeing if he's legit. Naive and gullible. Also not believable in the Clinic at all. It's actually sad and telling there are people like that...but you're not.

What are you then? BlackCat called it...

And I am off. Thanks for the laugh. But you weren't serious, so no laughs could be had.

 

[Starstruck]

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For anyone having doubts about Orica I suggest you watch backsttage pass of today does Yates or his coach look like people at the hart of doping no! I know It might sound ridiculous but I believe I can spot emotions in eyes but in Yates I see merely a happy young man racing at a dream race not a doper.

I am glad you can see the light of the heart through the eyes of another person.

Truly, that's great.

But what if the light in their eyes is darkness? Did you consider that?

Oh wait, you did the 'mum test' which comprises of looking at him and seeing if he's legit. Naive and gullible. Also not believable in the Clinic at all. It's actually sad and telling there are people like that...but you're not.

What are you then? BlackCat called it...

And I am off. Thanks for the laugh. But you weren't serious, so no laughs could be had.

It's all about hard facts and evidence.

 

[blackcat]

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I have to say Adam has shown way more potential then Simon from joining OBE, and Simon the banned/not banned brother was originally on Sky's list but they didn't want the Adam.??? But I could have it the wrong way around....

Also just an aside, apart from Simon, there is history for OBE.......There was Daryl Impey who got caught, got temporarily banned.....then cleared....and of course while never banned but admitted that one time (at band camp) he did try the old EPO you have good ol Stuey O, then of course you have a staff that all from the (g)olden days of cycling.....

daryl just drunk from garzelli's bidon. he was slipped a probenicide mickey when all stefano had designs on was roofies and anal fissures.

 

[gazr99]

I think people should stop calling Ramon gullible and naive, with some trying to suggest idiot. Just because he believes OBE are clean, you shouldn't be saying that. He has as much if not more evidence that they are clean, than you have that they are doping. I know it goes against the standard rhetoric of the clinic but still shouldn't be saying that

 

[blackcat]

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I think people should stop calling Ramon gullible and naive, with some trying to suggest idiot. Just because he believes OBE are clean, you shouldn't be saying that. He has as much if not more evidence that they are clean, than you have that they are doping. I know it goes against the standard rhetoric of the clinic but still shouldn't be saying that

I think OGE are clean. I also think OBE, anyone who says otherwise, is an idiot.

 

[hrotha]

Adam Yates may be doping (and probably is), but he's not particularly suspicious by himself. We've argued that talent shows early countless times to tear down Sky, and his surely did. Yes, he hadn't done well in GTs yet, but he's not even 24. It adds up, and would be pretty believable in a cleaner sport.

 

[budegan]

Re the lads joining Sky in the future.

I'd argue that Adam's inclusion as the only non-Sky rider in the GB Olympic Road team of 5 may point to him being desired / courted by Sky given the close ties / conflict of interest between the two (depending on how you look at it - http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/olympics_2016/article-3669913/Steve-Cummings-slams-British-Cycling-calls-coach-Rod-Ellingworth-replaced-left-Rio-Olympics.html).

However if the Sky-BC ties are what they are claimed to be (and given that Ellingworth and Shane Sutton are on the payroll of both) then if I were in the Yates family I'd not be looking at either organisation favourably given that they were alleged to have thrown Simon under the bus as a way of taking the heat off Sutton during that media storm (https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2016/apr/29/orica-greenedge-british-cycling-leak-simon-yates).

 

[Benotti69]

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I think people should stop calling Ramon gullible and naive, with some trying to suggest idiot. Just because he believes OBE are clean, you shouldn't be saying that. He has as much if not more evidence that they are clean, than you have that they are doping. I know it goes against the standard rhetoric of the clinic but still shouldn't be saying that

What evidence is they are clean?

They are at the point end of the peloton?

They race in pro cycling?

Testing is a joke! The UCI president is a joke!

You are trolling!

 

[Hayabusa]

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No evidence except that one of them was banned for taking Terbutaline... and teammates have tested positive... and DSs have doped as part of program-wide doping... and UKAD has shown incompetence in anti-doping and tolerance for doping... and that Adam is third place in the what is routinely the dirtiest race in the world.

But yeah, I guess. No evidence.

The only evidence there is one of them testing positive however it appears that it was merely a paperwork problem so not evidence of doping as it is used as a TUE's. The rest of what you are saying is not evidence that the Yates doped, you are merely speculating because THESE things hapenned that the Yates bro's doped. And this is why the clinic is losing credibility we need HARD evidence not speculation based on past events about riders that they may or may not frequent regularly.

and their dad sean yates never doped neither

#smear campaign

#paternity

#talentitsintheveins

#Poe's_law

What are you on about? The Yates brothers are not related to Sean Yates..

 

[The Hitch]

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Presumably Sky can't touch Simon given their zero tolerance policy. Or will they make, yet another exception?

I'm guessing they'll say it wasn't a doping offence just a clerical error.

Brailsford will get the same research team that let lienders jullich and Rogers through the cracks, to background check simon.

They will find nothing of course.

 

[blackcat]

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What are you on about? The Yates brothers are not related to Sean Yates..

yes, yes they have a father


#birdsandthebeeds

 

[gazr99]

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What are you on about? The Yates brothers are not related to Sean Yates..

yes, yes they have a father


#birdsandthebeeds

What is birds and the beeds? Did you mean beads, what children play with and make jewellery out off, or bees, those flying insects that make honey and sting you

 

[SlickMongoose]

Even for the clinic, this thread is a little..... odd.

 

[blackcat]

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What are you on about? The Yates brothers are not related to Sean Yates..

yes, yes they have a father


#birdsandthebeeds

What is birds and the beeds? Did you mean beads, what children play with and make jewellery out off, or bees, those flying insects that make honey and sting you

'
patriarchy
dominant gene down the paternal line.

 

[Cannibal72]

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Adam Yates may be doping (and probably is), but he's not particularly suspicious by himself. We've argued that talent shows early countless times to tear down Sky, and his surely did. Yes, he hadn't done well in GTs yet, but he's not even 24. It adds up, and would be pretty believable in a cleaner sport.

And it's not like he's been catching the motorbikes. He's been sticking with the group of favourites on the climbs, but he's been riding very defensively and towards the back of the pack - and the real climbing's still to come.

 

[gazr99]

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What are you on about? The Yates brothers are not related to Sean Yates..

yes, yes they have a father


#birdsandthebeeds

What is birds and the beeds? Did you mean beads, what children play with and make jewellery out off, or bees, those flying insects that make honey and sting you

'
patriarchy
dominant gene down the paternal line.

Still not birds and the beeds