The Yates (AKA the TUE Brothers)

[42x16ss]

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Are they giving to Adam what they gave Simon last year?
They clearly stepped up a notch starting 2018.

Maybe that's why Neil Stephens left Michelton-Scott?

Neil "I didn't know what was going on at Festina but somehow tested positive in the retest" Stephens?

 

[therealthing]

How long till he is crushing everybody on pan flat TTs?

 

[Blanco]

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How long till he is crushing everybody on pan flat TTs?

He was not so good on the flat part though...

 

[macbindle]

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Are they giving to Adam what they gave Simon last year?
They clearly stepped up a notch starting 2018.

Except he faded didnt he. Made loads of efforts but completely cracked.

Doping in grand tours is about recovery. Looks like the dope didnt work.

 

[JosephK]

Re: Re:

How long till he is crushing everybody on pan flat TTs?

He was not so good on the flat part though...

Yes, I raised a brow slightly at today's (Stage 1) TT performance by Yates in the Giro, but I wouldn't put it in the "Outlandish" category. To me, Lopez's performance was more startling, considering that he usually loses substantial time to top GC contenders in time trials. And Nibali -- well into his 30's and likely on the waning part of his career arc -- was faster than Dumoulin and only 4 seconds slower than Yates, who had the advantage of starting later than all the other GC contenders (more opportunity to consider optimum pacing strategy) as the forecasted bad weather never materialized.

 

[Bolder]

Re: Re:

How long till he is crushing everybody on pan flat TTs?

He was not so good on the flat part though...

Yes, I raised a brow slightly at today's (Stage 1) TT performance by Yates in the Giro, but I wouldn't put it in the "Outlandish" category. To me, Lopez's performance was more startling, considering that he usually loses substantial time to top GC contenders in time trials. And Nibali -- well into his 30's and likely on the waning part of his career arc -- was faster than Dumoulin and only 4 seconds slower than Yates, who had the advantage of starting later than all the other GC contenders (more opportunity to consider optimum pacing strategy) as the forecasted bad weather never materialized.

I think the opening TT was an anomaly that allowed pure climbers to do as well as specialists.

 

[macbindle]

And yet he couldn't get up the hill on yesterday's TT.

So what does that mean, forum doping experts?

 

[TourOfSardinia]

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And yet he couldn't get up the hill on yesterday's TT.

So what does that mean, forum doping experts?

It could be he messed up the timing of the blood bag
like vino did way back when

 

[samhocking]

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And yet he couldn't get up the hill on yesterday's TT.

So what does that mean, forum doping experts?

It could be he messed up the timing of the blood bag
like vino did way back when

You know the rules here:

1. Faster than expected = alien doping
2. Slower than expected = alien doping gone wrong
3. As expected = probably doping
4. Completely nowhere and retired without contract = clean

 

[veganrob]

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And yet he couldn't get up the hill on yesterday's TT.

So what does that mean, forum doping experts?

It could be he messed up the timing of the blood bag
like vino did way back when

You know the rules here:

1. Faster than expected = alien doping
2. Slower than expected = alien doping gone wrong
3. As expected = probably doping
4. Completely nowhere and retired without contract = clean

Why don't you just answer the question then?

 

[18-Valve. (pithy)]

Seems like Simon timed his peak just right. Remarkable.

Not sure the equally dodgy Bernal is "sh!tting himself" just yet, but he was under pressure for the first time this Giro. Quite the feat.

 

[Rackham]

Seems like Simon timed his peak just right. Remarkable.

Not sure the equally dodgy Bernal is "sh!tting himself" just yet, but he was under pressure for the first time this Giro. Quite the feat.

No he didn't. Simon was at home watching on TV. That was Adam today on the Zoncolan. I'm amazed people still haven't realized the obviousness & brilliance of their subterfuge.

And Adam & Bernal are teammates as well, i.e. evident when "Yates" rode as a super domestique for Egan today & blew the rest of the group up, until naturally watching Bernal ride off into the distance once he'd done his job.

 

[luckyboy]

Is Bernal really as 'dodgy' as a guy who has served a doping ban lol?

The most you can say against Bernal is that he is a top-level pro cyclist...

 

[BlueRoads]

Is Bernal really as 'dodgy' as a guy who has served a doping ban lol?

The most you can say against Bernal is that he is a top-level pro cyclist...

Well, and that he's riding for Ineos.
But I agree, Bernal is one of the least dodgy riders on the highest level. There aren't any particular jumps in his development, no sudden spectacular changes in what he can do, no particular rumours and although his performances are very, very strong they are not out of this world.

 

[Nick2413]

Well, and that he's riding for Ineos.
But I agree, Bernal is one of the least dodgy riders on the highest level. There aren't any particular jumps in his development, no sudden spectacular changes in what he can do, no particular rumours and although his performances are very, very strong they are not out of this world.

Seeing Bernal looking fine at the end of Zoncolon the other day when Vlasov and other top climbers were visibly decimated is the kind of thing that always seems suspicious. Not insinuating anything but making a full minute gap in just 5-10 min seems crazy when you think about it. Bike racing is more dynamic than other endurance sports but it seems some riders just don’t get gassed even during a max effort.

 

[Red Rick]

It's very much the riding for Ineos part

 

[therealthing]

Good time for a bump methinks...

 

[JosefK]

Just checking in. ...

 

[Amazinmets87]

Is there anyway this could be plausible?

 

[JosefK]

Is there anyway this could be plausible?

I think one has to consider the type of course--a bit short, very technical, lots of turning, braking and reaccelerating, ending with a punchy climb. It's a course that's very well suited to Yates' abilities, and he's been on very good form. So, maybe today wasn't that extra-terrestrial. Still, an eye-opener.