It's been low key because SKY is a no factor at all since neither the Magic Kenyan, nor G are "smashing it"-but what seems to be clinic material is the fact that "Another British" is about to win a Grand Tour this, completing the Trifecta. What is really going on in the UK nowadays in Pro-cycling in order to produce "grand Tour winners" in such short period of time?
Benotti69 said:brownbobby said:JosephK said:I, too, am inclined to look at today's ride by Simon with a skeptical eye. But maybe it's a tad more believable than a couple of the ET rides we've seen in other grand tours this year.Rollthedice said:Asthma rides again. This time the program was fine tuned.
In the grand scheme of things (ie pro cycling) there was nothing extraordinary about that performance....a pure climber putting a minute into a clearly weak (As grand tours go) or out of form chasing pack, mostly matched by Pinot and SK.
In every race there has to be a winner, it's just a shame that in cycling suspicion automatically attaches itself to every winner. How sad![]()
Suspicion? WTF???
Simon Yates in April 2016 tested positive for the banned substance terbutaline in an in-competition test during Paris–Nice.
Yes, a shame and the rest are out of form! Another joke. Of course they are out of form becuase no one cares about winning a Grand Tour in Spain. FFS!!!!
What? Neil "I didn't know what was happening at Festina" Stephens and Matt "Dr Del Mo - who? " White?Benotti69 said:A Yates thread and yet some always want to drag Sky into it.
Look at who runs Yates' team. Doping is in their blood.
Yates just went too deep getting a time gap for the TT, flashing around his incredible form at every opportunity. Had Yates ridden a more measured race he would have finished top 3 minimum, he just needed to pick his stages and moments better.JosephK said:I think this is a very good point & question. And I also have to remind myself that Simon Yates was demolishing the Giro field -- which included the Magic Kenyan and Tom DuMoulin -- right up to his out-of-the-blue late 3rd week cracking. I have never seen a grand tour rider be so dominant for 2 1/2 weeks and then just disappear like that.hfer07 said:rick james said:Must say, the clinic have been really low key for this Vuelta...almost like some are only obsessed with a Kenyan that isn't riding this years race..
still well done Yates, being the best of the peloton thats "still doped to its gills"
those climbing times...all the proof that's needed
It's been low key because SKY is a no factor at all since neither the Magic Kenyan, nor G are "smashing it"-but what seems to be clinic material is the fact that "Another British" is about to win a Grand Tour this, completing the Trifecta. What is really going on in the UK nowadays in Pro-cycling in order to produce "grand Tour winners" in such short period of time?
hfer07 said:rick james said:Must say, the clinic have been really low key for this Vuelta...almost like some are only obsessed with a Kenyan that isn't riding this years race..
still well done Yates, being the best of the peloton thats "still doped to its gills"
those climbing times...all the proof that's needed
It's been low key because SKY is a no factor at all since neither the Magic Kenyan, nor G are "smashing it"-but what seems to be clinic material is the fact that "Another British" is about to win a Grand Tour this, completing the Trifecta. What is really going on in the UK nowadays in Pro-cycling in order to produce "grand Tour winners" in such short period of time?
brownbobby said:Benotti69 said:brownbobby said:JosephK said:I, too, am inclined to look at today's ride by Simon with a skeptical eye. But maybe it's a tad more believable than a couple of the ET rides we've seen in other grand tours this year.Rollthedice said:Asthma rides again. This time the program was fine tuned.
In the grand scheme of things (ie pro cycling) there was nothing extraordinary about that performance....a pure climber putting a minute into a clearly weak (As grand tours go) or out of form chasing pack, mostly matched by Pinot and SK.
In every race there has to be a winner, it's just a shame that in cycling suspicion automatically attaches itself to every winner. How sad![]()
Suspicion? WTF???
Simon Yates in April 2016 tested positive for the banned substance terbutaline in an in-competition test during Paris–Nice.
Yes, a shame and the rest are out of form! Another joke. Of course they are out of form becuase no one cares about winning a Grand Tour in Spain. FFS!!!!
Porte. Nibali. Aru. Quintana. They look on good form to you?
veganrob said:Of course. Always an easy explanation when a Brit wins. Never dope or anything untoward.
brownbobby said:Valverde, looked great, every bit as strong as Yates until his usual problems above 2000m
Mas, Lopez....very good young riders, might win a GC one day, couple of years behind Yates in terms of development still but finished within 2 minutes of him over 3 weeks.
Kruiswijk, strong rider, looked good at times, heavy 3 week TDF in his legs
So I stand by my view, every race has to have a winner. Nothing extra terrestrial about Yates manner of victory in this GT
Who said he was extra terrestrial? Why are you always moving the goal posts or avoiding to answer simple questions.brownbobby said:veganrob said:Of course. Always an easy explanation when a Brit wins. Never dope or anything untoward.
Did I say he wasn't doping? In a sport where most presume doping is the norm, you've got to do more than Yates did in this Vuelta to earn the tag extra terrestrial
Benotti69 said:brownbobby said:Valverde, looked great, every bit as strong as Yates until his usual problems above 2000m
Mas, Lopez....very good young riders, might win a GC one day, couple of years behind Yates in terms of development still but finished within 2 minutes of him over 3 weeks.
Kruiswijk, strong rider, looked good at times, heavy 3 week TDF in his legs
So I stand by my view, every race has to have a winner. Nothing extra terrestrial about Yates manner of victory in this GT
I would agree with you if it was down to form. but it isn't, it is down to the PED program. Yates didn't need to be extra terrestrial compared to others. But it was an impressive victory as it was ridden fast.
vedrafjord said:I think he's a lot more believable than Froome and Thomas - there's been no donkey to racehorse (or 6ft cobbles rider to best climber in the world) transformation, instead there was early success (mountain stage in the Tour de l'Avenir age 19 and another two age 21), gradual, incremental improvements in major stage races from 2011 to the present day, and TT performances that are at least believable for a climber.
He's probably not clean but he's not rubbing our noses in it either.
veganrob said:Who said he was extra terrestrial? Why are you always moving the goal posts or avoiding to answer simple questions.brownbobby said:veganrob said:Of course. Always an easy explanation when a Brit wins. Never dope or anything untoward.
Did I say he wasn't doping? In a sport where most presume doping is the norm, you've got to do more than Yates did in this Vuelta to earn the tag extra terrestrial
vedrafjord said:I think he's a lot more believable than Froome and Thomas - there's been no donkey to racehorse (or 6ft cobbles rider to best climber in the world) transformation, instead there was early success (mountain stage in the Tour de l'Avenir age 19 and another two age 21), gradual, incremental improvements in major stage races from 2011 to the present day, and TT performances that are at least believable for a climber.
He's probably not clean but he's not rubbing our noses in it either.
samhocking said:Well Yates came through and was funded by the BC road academy pretty much the same as Thomas and Rowe etc on the same path designed by Ellingworth and under Brailsfords direction.
He's coached by Chris Newton who Brailsford managed as the BC Men's Endurance Coach and who then went onto being BC Women's Road Coach.
It would be pretty obvious to most that without Manchester Velodrome and Brailsford settinf up the road side in Manchester, Simon Yates would have had to follow the path of his brother.
I would give Chris Newton the credit for what we are seeing with Yates the last few years, but that's built on what Brailsford set up in many ways for Chris Newton to become an BC Accredited Road Coach in the first place.
Koronin said:Benotti69 said:brownbobby said:Valverde, looked great, every bit as strong as Yates until his usual problems above 2000m
Mas, Lopez....very good young riders, might win a GC one day, couple of years behind Yates in terms of development still but finished within 2 minutes of him over 3 weeks.
Kruiswijk, strong rider, looked good at times, heavy 3 week TDF in his legs
So I stand by my view, every race has to have a winner. Nothing extra terrestrial about Yates manner of victory in this GT
I would agree with you if it was down to form. but it isn't, it is down to the PED program. Yates didn't need to be extra terrestrial compared to others. But it was an impressive victory as it was ridden fast.
Except Valverde said today it wasn't the altitude. He said he was empty and had nothing more to give. So I'd say his form is still off. Yates looked on form.
Benotti69 said:Koronin said:Benotti69 said:brownbobby said:Valverde, looked great, every bit as strong as Yates until his usual problems above 2000m
Mas, Lopez....very good young riders, might win a GC one day, couple of years behind Yates in terms of development still but finished within 2 minutes of him over 3 weeks.
Kruiswijk, strong rider, looked good at times, heavy 3 week TDF in his legs
So I stand by my view, every race has to have a winner. Nothing extra terrestrial about Yates manner of victory in this GT
I would agree with you if it was down to form. but it isn't, it is down to the PED program. Yates didn't need to be extra terrestrial compared to others. But it was an impressive victory as it was ridden fast.
Except Valverde said today it wasn't the altitude. He said he was empty and had nothing more to give. So I'd say his form is still off. Yates looked on form.
I would take anything Piti says with a pinch of salt. Maybe the news that WADA are still trying to release the Fuentes names took its toll. Maybe he is too old with his program to match others. Maybe he is not taking the new PEDs like Fignon refused to do. Who knows with cyclists. But form is the last thing i think off in the sport today.