Teams & Riders Thibaut Pinot discussion thread

[Tonton]

Interesting to read my last on this thread. The GFDJ site states that there wasn't a designated leader in this race, and Thibaut has a maverick role today. In the end, he looked good and easy on the bike, for a fifth day of racing, not bad at all.

 

[Simurgh]

Softpedaled himself out of the top-10 GC today? (didn't catch the stage)

 

[Alexandre B.]

Whatever he did, that was stupid.

 

[Geraint Too Fast]

There was a descent.

 

[Koronin]

It was a descent finish and he still can't descend very well.

 

[Tonton]

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Whatever he did, that was stupid.

Stupid is as stupid does, i.e. posting something...excuse me...stupid. The riders came to the finish not as a bunch but as a line, there was a gap...and he lost some time. Go on YouTube. This is a preparation race. Had he taken risks and crashed, now THAT would have been stupid on his part.

http://www.equipecycliste-groupama-fdj.fr/fr/actualites/thibaut-pinot-pris-dans-une-petite-cassure/

 

[Alexandre B.]

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Whatever he did, that was stupid.

Stupid is as stupid does, i.e. posting something...excuse me...stupid. The riders came to the finish not as a bunch but as a line, there was a gap...and he lost some time. Go on YouTube. This is a preparation race. Had he taken risks and crashed, now THAT would have been stupid on his part.

http://www.equipecycliste-groupama-fdj.fr/fr/actualites/thibaut-pinot-pris-dans-une-petite-cassure/

Preparation race or not, he's the only contender to have lost time here.

 

[Tonton]

Re: Re:

Whatever he did, that was stupid.

Stupid is as stupid does, i.e. posting something...excuse me...stupid. The riders came to the finish not as a bunch but as a line, there was a gap...and he lost some time. Go on YouTube. This is a preparation race. Had he taken risks and crashed, now THAT would have been stupid on his part.

http://www.equipecycliste-groupama-fdj.fr/fr/actualites/thibaut-pinot-pris-dans-une-petite-cassure/

Preparation race or not, he's the only contender to have lost time here.

He's not in Catalunya to contend, but to prepare. He was pleasantly surprised about his performance after stage 3, also stated after stage 4 that he still lacked strength and that "the important thing is to finish the Volta in good condition".

http://www.equipecycliste-groupama-fdj.fr/fr/actualites/thibaut-pinot-repond-deja-present/

The objective is a great Giro and having enough left in the tank comes July. Not being strong in March and mixing it up with Valverde. Lessons from '17...

I still don't understand where that "stupid" thing was coming from...

 

[Alexandre B.]

Re: Re:

Whatever he did, that was stupid.

Stupid is as stupid does, i.e. posting something...excuse me...stupid. The riders came to the finish not as a bunch but as a line, there was a gap...and he lost some time. Go on YouTube. This is a preparation race. Had he taken risks and crashed, now THAT would have been stupid on his part.

http://www.equipecycliste-groupama-fdj.fr/fr/actualites/thibaut-pinot-pris-dans-une-petite-cassure/

Preparation race or not, he's the only contender to have lost time here.

He's not in Catalunya to contend, but to prepare. He was pleasantly surprised about his performance after stage 3, also stated after stage 4 that he still lacked strength and that "the important thing is to finish the Volta in good condition".

http://www.equipecycliste-groupama-fdj.fr/fr/actualites/thibaut-pinot-repond-deja-present/

The objective is a great Giro and having enough left in the tank comes July. Not being strong in March and mixing it up with Valverde. Lessons from '17...

I still don't understand where that "stupid" thing was coming from...

Well I don't spit on a well-earned 6th.
Especially at FDJ, who's one of the weaker sides of the WorldTour. They need those points.

 

[Tonton]

Re: Re:

Whatever he did, that was stupid.

Stupid is as stupid does, i.e. posting something...excuse me...stupid. The riders came to the finish not as a bunch but as a line, there was a gap...and he lost some time. Go on YouTube. This is a preparation race. Had he taken risks and crashed, now THAT would have been stupid on his part.

http://www.equipecycliste-groupama-fdj.fr/fr/actualites/thibaut-pinot-pris-dans-une-petite-cassure/

Preparation race or not, he's the only contender to have lost time here.

He's not in Catalunya to contend, but to prepare. He was pleasantly surprised about his performance after stage 3, also stated after stage 4 that he still lacked strength and that "the important thing is to finish the Volta in good condition".

http://www.equipecycliste-groupama-fdj.fr/fr/actualites/thibaut-pinot-repond-deja-present/

The objective is a great Giro and having enough left in the tank comes July. Not being strong in March and mixing it up with Valverde. Lessons from '17...

I still don't understand where that "stupid" thing was coming from...

Well I don't spit on a well-earned 6th.
Especially at FDJ, who's one of the weaker sides of the WorldTour. They need those points.

...see, mature riders with GT ambitions don't crash like Bernal did, fighting for a win in a one-week race in March. I hope that Bernal is OK. Great rider. He went all in, and beating Valverde in Catalunya would have been a massive statement.

We're early in the season, some have ruined or jeopardized 2018. Adam Yates. Tibo has not. Same for Aru.

I hope you read the FDJ site. Thibaut is average at best right now. Strava shows that he really pumped up mileage and intensity two weeks ago. Trentino is the rehearsal. We'll see.

Stupid is as stupid does .

 

[Tonton]

3rd-2nd-5th-2nd-1st (then GC 2nd) in '17, now 4th...Il Tibo likes Trentino and Trentino likes Pinot...the streak continues. He looked pretty good today for his 10th racing day. Last year, his 10th racing day was on February 18th.

 

[SafeBet]

Bold prediction here: Pinot will win the Giro.

 

[Nirvana]

Like i said in the prediction thread a couple of months ago he's the favourite for third place.
For the win should happen something (ilness, crash, very bad day) to both Froome and Dumoilin, i think that in normal circumstances they are better than him in both TT and climbing.

 

[movingtarget]

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Bold prediction here: Pinot will win the Giro.

Big call. I wouldn't mind seeing him win but he will need no bad days which is his biggest weakness. His TT can also be pretty variable.

 

[Red Rick]

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Bold prediction here: Pinot will win the Giro.

I'd love it. But his chances are very slim. I really think that if Dumoulin is as good as last year and doesn't fade in the 3rd week then he'll probably win. But I'm doubting Dumoulin for now. For Froome I'm expecting similar form to last year, not impressive but solid enough.

Pinot will have to benefit a lot from the demolition job that Astana are gonna do on the peloton.

 

[SafeBet]

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Bold prediction here: Pinot will win the Giro.

Big call. I wouldn't mind seeing him win but he will need no bad days which is his biggest weakness. His TT can also be pretty variable.

Some riders need time to become consistent in GTs.
He now looks much more stable and focused compared to the past. He got to know the race last year and he clearly likes it: balanced route, no pressure from the media, cheering fans. Let's not forget 2017 was an oddly hot year for the Giro (which he doesn't seem to like). I'm expecting big things, yep.

 

[movingtarget]

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Bold prediction here: Pinot will win the Giro.

Big call. I wouldn't mind seeing him win but he will need no bad days which is his biggest weakness. His TT can also be pretty variable.

Some riders need time to become consistent in GTs.
He now looks much more stable and focused compared to the past. He got to know the race last year and he clearly likes it: balanced route, no pressure from the media, cheering fans. Let's not forget 2017 was an oddly hot year for the Giro (which he doesn't seem to like). I'm expecting big things, yep.

Looking forward to the race even more this year especially with the Dumoulin Froome battle. I thought Pinot was in a great position for the podium last year and I was disappointed by his final week. His final TT was mediocre but I really think he was already done for or maybe the pressure just got to him maybe the heat as well but I would rather see the heat in the Giro because the altered stages and bad weather in previous editions were getting boring although the snowstorms can make for pretty pictures !

 

[LaFlorecita]

I've thought since the start of the year il Giro will be fought between Tibopino and Superman. Hoping for Tibo as I think Superman will get plenty more opportunities.
Dumo and Froome haven't got a chance in hell

 

[May0maniac]

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I've thought since the start of the year il Giro will be fought between Tibopino and Superman. Hoping for Tibo as I think Superman will get plenty more opportunities.
Dumo and Froome haven't got a chance in hell

Don't forget about Chavito, he's doing his usual slow built up before a gt, but he could surprise people.

 

[Bot. Sky_Bot]

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I've thought since the start of the year il Giro will be fought between Tibopino and Superman. Hoping for Tibo as I think Superman will get plenty more opportunities.
Dumo and Froome haven't got a chance in hell

Kind of joke.. :razz:
1-2 Froome vs Dumuolin
3-5 Lopez, Chaves, Pinot

 

[Brullnux]

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I've thought since the start of the year il Giro will be fought between Tibopino and Superman. Hoping for Tibo as I think Superman will get plenty more opportunities.
Dumo and Froome haven't got a chance in hell

Kind of joke.. :razz:
1-2 Froome vs Dumuolin
3-5 Lopez, Chaves, Pinot

Last year, Froome never showed the ability (apart from on the angliru) to be able to drop anyone on longer climbs. I mean, he spent the whole Tour de France stuck with Bardet and Uran. Looking at the estimated figures for tour and giro of last year, it kind of backs that up. I'm sceptical if he will avoid a bad day/misfortune, and if he will be able to put significant time into people outside the TT (where he will be beaten by Dumoulin).

 

[Bot. Sky_Bot]

Re: Re:

I've thought since the start of the year il Giro will be fought between Tibopino and Superman. Hoping for Tibo as I think Superman will get plenty more opportunities.
Dumo and Froome haven't got a chance in hell

Kind of joke.. :razz:
1-2 Froome vs Dumuolin
3-5 Lopez, Chaves, Pinot

Last year, Froome never showed the ability (apart from on the angliru) to be able to drop anyone on longer climbs. I mean, he spent the whole Tour de France stuck with Bardet and Uran. Looking at the estimated figures for tour and giro of last year, it kind of backs that up. I'm sceptical if he will avoid a bad day/misfortune, and if he will be able to put significant time into people outside the TT (where he will be beaten by Dumoulin).

Nobody can avoid bad luck, some of them (Porte) is almost sure to have some kind of disaster (unfortunately, because he was able and deserved to win GT, maybe sometimes more than CF).
But you probably know what will happen in Giro'2018: Froome will gain advantage at Dumo at Finestre or Zoncolan (or finally at Cervinia) and will be better than MAL or Pinot in ITT.
Yes, it wouldn't be great GT, partly because of really weak contenders.

 

[yaco]

I am far from confident about Chaves at the Giro as he could lose 3+ minutes in the ITT - I suspect S.Yates may do better at the Giro - Do think Chaves will do a very good Vuelta.

 

[staubsauger]

Chaves has shown nothing so far this season that justifies to consider him a contender at the Giro!

 

[Bot. Sky_Bot]

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Chaves has shown nothing so far this season that justifies to consider him a contender at the Giro!

Yes, indeed, probably behind Aru, or some of other (?) contenders like Zakarin or Kruijswijk.