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Nibali has actually two DNFs in Grand Tours: last year's Tour and 2015 Vuelta where he was thrown out of the race.
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...well, just hope that you don't tear a quad seating on your couch with your laptop in your hand. And if it happens, please have the mental toughness to put that cold beer on your leg: it will help.macbindle said:
Pinot needs to get a rabbit foot or something. IMO he lacks 'luck'. Luck has a lot of definitions and I/many would argue that you make your own luck, but sometimes in a race others' bad luck spreads. Using this most recent 'bad luck': if his knee is 5 cm either side he would probably be OK, if the mishap doesn't happen in front of him...yeh, lots of ifs, but...
Without getting way off here, a certain unnamed guy won seven TdFs in a row with no serious issues (and when there were issues, he found a way around them or fell softly so that they weren't big issues). Certainly he made some of his 'luck' (ie: smart tire choice), but its crazy that he didn't ie: bash his quad so hard that he had to abandon in all of those years. What if he would have been collected by Beloki? That was the last if for this post.
Without getting way off here, a certain unnamed guy won seven TdFs in a row with no serious issues (and when there were issues, he found a way around them or fell softly so that they weren't big issues). Certainly he made some of his 'luck' (ie: smart tire choice), but its crazy that he didn't ie: bash his quad so hard that he had to abandon in all of those years. What if he would have been collected by Beloki? That was the last if for this post.
In a weird way, maybe the crosswind stage was a blessing. If he hadn't lost that 1:40, abandoning would have been even more gut-wrenching.
Wow, these last few pages are amazing to read. I am pretty sure that nobody is denying his past mental issues, but it is amazing to make any connections between his (past, maybe present) mental issues and a torn quad.
IMO it is not a lack of mental toughness - which implies some sort of defect - but a failure to prepare down to the last tiny detail. That is how Sky have won 7 tours with 4 different riders and how LA finished first in 7 in a row. Pinot is hardly to blame as many riders with his talent and drive never won a GT. I'd bet that he could win a GT for Ineos.
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Yes, it would be amazing, and that is why nobody is making those connections
burning said:
Yes, it would be amazing, and that is why nobody is making those connections
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I agree with the sentiment here.
DNFing 6 out of 11 GT attempts tells you something. (and, please...idiots of the forum...dont bleating on about the quad, that was bad luck)
jmdirt said:
I agree with the sentiment here.
DNFing 6 out of 11 GT attempts tells you something. (and, please...idiots of the forum...dont bleating on about the quad, that was bad luck)
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Hilarious.
If you knew where I am now and what I am doing, youd feel pretty stupid.
Tonton said:
Hilarious.
If you knew where I am now and what I am doing, youd feel pretty stupid.
Personally I'd send Pinot to the Giro from here on. His golden chance to win the yellow jersey has gone this year. It won't come again, likely. No need to hunt that podium finish he already achieved. The Giro though, he has a chance to win the pink jersey with this year's shape!
There is no way he is going to the Giro after what happened last week. He wants to win the Tour and he is capable of doing that.
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IMO the Giro isn't for him, plus the TdF is his life focus. His chance to win is still ahead of him...staubsauger said:
Depends on routes and fields, but I think he has more chances to win the Giro than the Tour in most scenario's. The Tour would let him ride a better spring schedule though.
Any update on the injury and how long he'll be out? Was there any plan to ride the Vuelta for stage wins or something?
Any update on the injury and how long he'll be out? Was there any plan to ride the Vuelta for stage wins or something?
https://www.wielerflits.nl/nieuws/pinot-wilde-stoppen-met-koersen-na-opgave-in-tour/
This is heartbreaking tbh.
I'm a big fan of Pinot for quite some time, specially for his ups and downs, but I thought I was witnessing his biggest up and then it ended up in his biggest down.
I wish this guy the best, all the best! I wish him a lot of big wins. I doubt he will ever read this, but Thibaut you are one of the most special riders in the bunch. It's a great pleasure to watch you ride and no matter what happens you are a special fan favourite rider. Keep your head up.
This is heartbreaking tbh.
I'm a big fan of Pinot for quite some time, specially for his ups and downs, but I thought I was witnessing his biggest up and then it ended up in his biggest down.
I wish this guy the best, all the best! I wish him a lot of big wins. I doubt he will ever read this, but Thibaut you are one of the most special riders in the bunch. It's a great pleasure to watch you ride and no matter what happens you are a special fan favourite rider. Keep your head up.
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While I have never been world tour level, I "quit racing" several times. Exhaustion combined with the realization that everything that you have worked so hard for was for not, kicks you in the head sometimes. I don't know if the pressure is higher when you are being paid to win (TP) or in winning is what pays you (me), but either way sucks when it goes wrong.Kwibus said:
Just watched the short documentary Avec Thibaut. Heartbreaking, he's so fragile and human. It's hard not to cheer for him.
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Not that commenter, but of course not. "He's human and fragile" becuase he reminds us that the top riders are made of fallible skin and bone, not steel and diesel.
The way Pinot has ridden his Grand Tours, literally emptying himself to the point of exhaustion, sickness, or injury, is shortening his shelf life. It is the unfortunate reality that the deeper and more often you dig to the bottom of the well, the less often you will be able to dig in the future.
While Pinot's injury is not the same structural failure as Froome's broken femur, for example, Pinot's ambition will continue to drive his body up against total exhaustion in ultimately destructive ways. He's shown that he can fight against his body's limits more often than other riders, but that is not a healthy talent.
I am worried that he will not have many opportunities left to fulfill his talent and drive.
macbindle said:
Not that commenter, but of course not. "He's human and fragile" becuase he reminds us that the top riders are made of fallible skin and bone, not steel and diesel.
The way Pinot has ridden his Grand Tours, literally emptying himself to the point of exhaustion, sickness, or injury, is shortening his shelf life. It is the unfortunate reality that the deeper and more often you dig to the bottom of the well, the less often you will be able to dig in the future.
While Pinot's injury is not the same structural failure as Froome's broken femur, for example, Pinot's ambition will continue to drive his body up against total exhaustion in ultimately destructive ways. He's shown that he can fight against his body's limits more often than other riders, but that is not a healthy talent.
I am worried that he will not have many opportunities left to fulfill his talent and drive.
Yes, there's a difference between physical fragility and mental strength...body gives up, mind can't do a thing. Duh.
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