Thibaut Pinot's training data

[Le breton]

I checked the link when it first went up and it was a paid paper. It's now freely downloadable - was that always the case and I just missed it? I remember being frustrated that I could not get access - yet again - to a paper.

I've downloaded it, has anyone else? Anyone had a read?

It would be useful to know what link you are referring to.

 

[Dear Wiggo]

It would be useful to know what link you are referring to.

From OP: http://www.tandfonline.com/doi/abs/10.1080/02640414.2014.969296#.VFvOKp-ClZe

 

[Merckx index]

Thanks for the link.

TheVO2max trainability is determined by both genes and the environment (Tucker & Collins, 2012), and approximately 50% of these two VO2max traits are heritable (Bouchard et al., 2000).

What two traits? I don’t understand this sentence. Do they mean that the degree to which V02max can be increased by training is itself genetically determined? That probably is the case, but if that’s what they mean, they didn’t explain it very well, and the sentence still doesn’t make sense.

I wish they had measured V02max throughout this period. They say:

The main finding of this study was that increases in the TL, monotony and strain from the junior category to the world-class level were significantly correlated with improvement in the aerobic potential of the cyclist

but they don’t actually document what his aerobic capacity was during that period.

I also wish they had measured LT and efficiency, so one could see how closely his PO correlated with what these parameters would predict would be his optimum power.

His power output suggests he could climb Alpe in 40 minutes, which is considerably faster than Froome or anyone else in recent years has done it.

 

[Le breton]

His power output suggests he could climb Alpe in 40 minutes, which is considerably faster than Froome or anyone else in recent years has done it.

Except for Quintana and Rodriguez :

_37. Nairo Quintana ______ COL | 39:50 | 2013
_38. Claudio Chiappucci __ ITA | 39:52 | 1995
_39. Paolo Lanfranchi ____ ITA | 39:52 | 1995
_40. Joaquim Rodriguez ___ ESP | 39:53 | 2013
(from Ammatti)

 

[mrhender]

ammattipyöräily ‏@ammattipyoraily 13 sek.14 sekunder siden
Rettenbachgletscher

Deutschland Tour
2005 | Levi Leipheimer 46:17
2007 | David Lopez 45:54

Tour de Suisse
2015 | Thibaut Pinot 44:38

 

[SkyTears]

His power output suggests he could climb Alpe in 40 minutes, which is considerably faster than Froome or anyone else in recent years has done it ?

Clean riders climbing faster than dopers?

 

[ppanther92]

To be fair, they were all very fast today. Tom Dumoulin set the same time as Leipheimer.

 

[deValtos]

http://www.climbing-records.com/

Tom Dumoulin climbing the same speed as Levi Leipheimer.

 

[ppanther92]

I calculated Pinots ride today and his VAM is around 1660, which equals about 40:30 on Alpe d'Huez. Comparison 2013: Quintana 39:50, Rodriguez 39:53, Froome and Porte 40:56 (but Froome bonked as we know) and Valverde 41:00.

Very good time considering it's a preparation race. I think we will see a good tour. I feared a little bit Pinot will get smashed be the big 4, but maybe with further improvement he can spice things up.

 

[ppanther92]

Also i think Swiss roads are very good for particular fast times. Just look at them, wide, perfect tarmac.

 

[Mr.White]

Thibaut Pinot was/is always been a good climber, with a steady progression, nothing suspicious here. If you look for something try with Thomas and Dumoulin

 

[Benotti69]

There was a clean tailwind blowing today.......

 

[Tonton]

Allons Enfants De La Patri-i-e

 

[veji11]

Re:

Thibaut Pinot was/is always been a good climber, with a steady progression, nothing suspicious here.

Let's say that he is probably one of the least suspicious top climbers in the peloton in terms of level, progression, etc.. so if something was to be wrong here, than god forbid we learn what happens everywhere else...

 

[hrotha]

Tailwind is a thing, you know.

 

[Netserk]

He certainly has a much better first part of the season than last year, being among the strongest in Tirreno, Romandie and now Suisse. It will be interesting to see if he can lift his level in the Tour as well. Maybe he can even take the white from Quintana.

 

[gillan1969]

Re:

Tailwind is a thing, you know.

only saw the top section and to be fair did look like a climb that could be affected by wind....

 

[Tonton]

Re:

He certainly has a much better first part of the season than last year, being among the strongest in Tirreno, Romandie and now Suisse. It will be interesting to see if he can lift his level in the Tour as well. Maybe he can even take the white from Quintana.

No secret here, I have been following him very closely and I'd be devastated if/when strange things happen. His build up has been excellent, he has now won two marquis MTF stages, he'll peak at the TdF. But if the other guys are mutant, he won't be close. Or I'll find it strange . For what it's worth, his power output last year was realistic, and 40 minutes and change Alpe d'Huez equivalent is really good but not alien. For the white jersey, I wonder which Nairo will show up. I'm beginning to find him (and the other Colombians) a bit overrated...

 

[More Strides than Rides]

Re:

Tailwind is a thing, you know.

I tried to take a look at both videos:

2005: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yhu51WWSkb0

2007: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4-QgI5HNebo

and 2015: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-RWVrdEOUPc

Nearly impossible to tell. Best gauge is a few moments at the finish line when big national flags aren't being waved. I have my judgements, but they're nothing more than an observation about a flag or two on a 13k climb through a valley...

About as useful as looking at taking a blood test for EPO just to find out they are type AB-.

 

[Moose McKnuckles]

People still think that there are riders who expect to contend for the Tour while riding clean?

LOL.

 

[More Strides than Rides]

Re:

People still think that there are riders who expect to contend for the Tour while riding clean?

LOL.

Contend for the tour win, contend for the tour podium, and contend for a top-10 (and contending for a stage, jersey, or aggressive rider) are all different.

I can't imagine anyone expecting Pinot to contend for the win, just in general, and certainly not to do so clean. Even the most delusional fans seem to think that all the other riders in the big four are doping.

Before the race, 25 people can finish in the top 10, and 8 of those will. Crashes, bonks and breakaways happen. (Not saying anything about Pinot and his performances with this point.)

I don't know about Pinot, and won't stake a claim. I will say he brings more potential-surprise-to-be-found-doping than others at his level.

 

[Dr.Guess]

Re: Re:

Tailwind is a thing, you know.

I tried to take a look at both videos:



and 2015: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-RWVrdEOUPc

Nearly impossible to tell. Best gauge is a few moments at the finish line when big national flags aren't being waved. I have my judgements, but they're nothing more than an observation about a flag or two on a 13k climb through a valley...

About as useful as looking at taking a blood test for EPO just to find out they are type AB-.

There is also the green small flag at around 35:20 and onwards. It doesn't like there's a storm there...

 

[Tonton]

Well, maybe Pinot should transfer to Sky or Katusha. Because what he takes isn't working .

 

[Tonton]

Well, maybe Pinot should transfer to Sky or Katusha. Because what he takes isn't working .

A few weeks go by, I'm finding out that I'm the last post, and here it is: Thibaut Pinot didn't come out mutant. What do you think? Bad team, bad luck, looking human, obviously not supercharged. Benotti69, I'm particularly interested in your opinion.

 

[Jacques (7 ch)]

Well, maybe Pinot should transfer to Sky or Katusha. Because what he takes isn't working .

A few weeks go by, I'm finding out that I'm the last post, and here it is: Thibaut Pinot didn't come out mutant. What do you think? Bad team, bad luck, looking human, obviously not supercharged. Benotti69, I'm particularly interested in your opinion.

For me... Thibaut was the last great hope for people (like me) who hope some riders may be clean. What's happened to him is a shame, but if I had seen him challenging, say, Froome on Huy I would have become terminally disillusioned.

Is it possible for him to step back from the GC and compete for stages? He may not be allowed into a break just yet and in the mountains, well, as things stand it just looks as if Sky have the whole thing covered.

Dommage.