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I meant boards in general, not specifically cycling boards. I don't browse any other cycling boards, so I wouldn't know anything about that. 240k replies in one board is a lot, but compare that to almost 7 million posts on a forum that has existed for an equal amount of time then the level of activity here is definitely lower.
Barrus said:
Please, show us a more active pro cycling board:cool:
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And for the record, "shouldn't be that hard to keep clean" was joke-ish. Keeping clean a forum with the activity mentioned above is impossible, but with the activity you see here (especially when all accounts have to be approved by an administrator before posting privileges are activated) it should be quite possible to keep thing relatively clean. Some spam, trolling and whatnot must be expected, and if a moderator is not around the members can just ignore it until it is appropriately handled by a moderator (unless of course if the trolling and spamming is so rampant that having any good conversation is rendered impossible).
 
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QbixNorway said:
I meant boards in general, not specifically cycling boards. I don't browse any other cycling boards, so I wouldn't know anything about that. 240k replies in one board is a lot, but compare that to almost 7 million posts on a forum that has existed for an equal amount of time then the level of activity here is definitely lower.
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Are you referring to a forum with paid staff or one moderated by, for the most part, a few volunteers?
 
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It's moderated by volunteers from the community. Not saying the forums there are clean, repeat threads are certainly a problem when you deal with a user base that big, but the larger problems such as spamming and severe trolling are kept at bay well, especially when you consider how active the forums are.
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Are you referring to a forum with paid staff or one moderated by, for the most part, a few volunteers?
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While I do not agree with the way the sentiment was expressed in the title of this thread, it is understandable.

QbixNorway's comments about this forum's traffic relative to other fora gave me an idea. Barrus and others who are in charge, what do you think about this? Why not create a new subforum where truly anything goes. No moderation except for spam. Language, slagging, trolling, etc. would be permitted and any complaints about such activity would be ignored. Maybe there would be a portal that in order to enter one would have to click on "agree". Personally, this would be a much more enjoyable forum. I would even consider being the spam moderator. The administrators could do it on a trial basis and if it is successful, keep it.

I look forward to everybody's views.
 
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gregod said:
While I do not agree with the way the sentiment was expressed in the title of this thread, it is understandable.

QbixNorway's comments about this forum's traffic relative to other fora gave me an idea. Barrus and others who are in charge, what do you think about this? Why not create a new subforum where truly anything goes. No moderation except for spam. Language, slagging, trolling, etc. would be permitted and any complaints about such activity would be ignored. Maybe there would be a portal that in order to enter one would have to click on "agree". Personally, this would be a much more enjoyable forum. I would even consider being the spam moderator. The administrators could do it on a trial basis and if it is successful, keep it.

I look forward to everybody's views.
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Have you not been in the cyclo-cross forum recently - it's no holds barred in there! ;)
 
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gregod said:
Why not create a new subforum where truly anything goes. No moderation except for spam. Language, slagging, trolling, etc. would be permitted and any complaints about such activity would be ignored.
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Well it would take about 0.3 seconds for it to get truly out of control and not much longer before it contained some content that Future Publishing Ltd would not appreciate being associated with.
 
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gregod said:
Why not create a new subforum where truly anything goes. No moderation except for spam. Language, slagging, trolling, etc. would be permitted and any complaints about such activity would be ignored. Maybe there would be a portal that in order to enter one would have to click on "agree". Personally, this would be a much more enjoyable forum. I would even consider being the spam moderator. The administrators could do it on a trial basis and if it is successful, keep it.

I look forward to everybody's views.
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This topic has actually been raised quite a while back as a possible way to clean up the Clinic (after all it is the clinic that usually has the biggest issues).

As Pedalling Squares highlights, the problem is that it is still associated with CN the main site so there have to be limits on what is allowed.

The alternative view is one that we are also exploring - a sub-forum where the standard is very high. People entering it recognise the accepted standard of behavior and adhere to it - or get out. The idea is that topics would be discussed in there in a civil manner without so much ad hominem junk etc. Anyone entering that area and trolling would immediately have their account suspended so that eventually the trolling style arguments clearly remain in the Clinic and the worthwhile conversations happen elsewhere.
 
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pedaling squares said:
Well it would take about 0.3 seconds for it to get truly out of control and not much longer before it contained some content that Future Publishing Ltd would not appreciate being associated with.
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+1
and it wouldn't take long to get boring seeing the same ol' d!cksh!t over and over.
 
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Martin318is said:
This topic has actually been raised quite a while back as a possible way to clean up the Clinic (after all it is the clinic that usually has the biggest issues).

As Pedalling Squares highlights, the problem is that it is still associated with CN the main site so there have to be limits on what is allowed.

The alternative view is one that we are also exploring - a sub-forum where the standard is very high. People entering it recognise the accepted standard of behavior and adhere to it - or get out. The idea is that topics would be discussed in there in a civil manner without so much ad hominem junk etc. Anyone entering that area and trolling would immediately have their account suspended so that eventually the trolling style arguments clearly remain in the Clinic and the worthwhile conversations happen elsewhere.
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I think I may have recommended the Cage Fight subforum some time ago. While I fully understand why it can't happen....gee, it sure would be fun...:D
 
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pedaling squares said:
Well it would take about 0.3 seconds for it to get truly out of control...
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For a long time this forum was not moderated except for language and I found it to be much more engaging. If people are reticent to participate in an "out of control" forum then they should exclusively use the moderated forum. Even if only a few people used it, it would be with full knowledge of the ground rules and they would have no grounds for complaint. Furthermore, while I choose to refrain from course language, I find the restrictions on its use patronizing.

...and not much longer before it contained some content that Future Publishing Ltd would not appreciate being associated with.
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This is a little more tricky as I am not sure of their legal exposure in regard to postings in the forum. However, I think a comprehensively worded entrance portal with an "agree" button could possibly take care of this.
 
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on3m@n@rmy said:
+1
and it wouldn't take long to get boring seeing the same ol' d!cksh!t over and over.
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Again, as I said in my original post. You would not have to participate in such a forum and would actively have to acknowledge that such a forum would potentially be chaotic and it is not for the faint of heart and defer any right to complain about that to enter.

Please see my PM for a further small comment.
 
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gregod said:
For a long time this forum was not moderated except for language and I found it to be much more engaging. If people are reticent to participate in an "out of control" forum then they should exclusively use the moderated forum. Even if only a few people used it, it would be with full knowledge of the ground rules and they would have no grounds for complaint. Furthermore, while I choose to refrain from course language, I find the restrictions on its use patronizing.



This is a little more tricky as I am not sure of their legal exposure in regard to postings in the forum. However, I think a comprehensively worded entrance portal with an "agree" button could possibly take care of this.
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I don't disagree with your opinion on the forum at all. I just wonder if you have considered the *** factor, which in a more civil forum I would call the lowest common denominator factor. Give a man an inch and some *** would run a friggin' marathon of poor taste. I don't mind bad language at all and I don't think CN does either. I've seen the f bomb enough times in their main articles. But 'anything goes' would open the doors to the truly off-limits topics. And don't get me started on the images...

Now Martin's idea of a 'pure' sub-forum with tight moderation might be interesting if it let the rest of The Clinic return to the wild west. That would allow for civil discourse and would also give the mods a break.

And Bro I still get a laugh out of this thread title. A little colour is needed around here.
 
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pedaling squares said:
I don't disagree with your opinion on the forum at all. I just wonder if you have considered the *** factor, ....
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You said, "***"! You said, "***"!:D

Is it so difficult for people to ignore the socially- and/or intellectually-challenged? This forum cleverly has an ignore list, plus, if I'm not mistaken, most people are equipped with this ability.

That said, I participate in a medical forum that is difficult to register for and you would be surprised at the vigor of the debate. There is no ignore feature, but there are several posters who, without active consensus, are marginalized by simply being ignored by the community at-large.

There is one feature that the medical forum does have that might be useful. When certain posters respond to being ignored by spamming (cut and pasting extremely long posts and/or multiple posts) instead of being suspended all of their posts are automatically held for moderation. This technique has kept the forum lively and still readable.
 
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pedaling squares said:
I don't disagree with your opinion on the forum at all. I just wonder if you have considered the *** factor, which in a more civil forum I would call the lowest common denominator factor. Give a man an inch and some *** would run a friggin' marathon of poor taste. I don't mind bad language at all and I don't think CN does either. I've seen the f bomb enough times in their main articles. But 'anything goes' would open the doors to the truly off-limits topics... .
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I agree. This is exactly what I meant when I said it would become boring with the same ol' crap over and over. I don't think this where most of us including gregod would want the discussions to go.
 
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Hugh Januss said:
So did you just flip a coin to decide what thread to post this nonsense in?
You're lucky, if she wasn't so hot I would have reported this post for terminally stupid.
Oh, and the word is relevant.
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Thanks for the spell check. All I am saying is SI is not the place to get cycling info. How many hits on the case against __ __ in sports illustrated in the clinic in the forum.
What 157 hits, emotional argument? The relevance- the hot Russian chick, today on YAHOO.
http://tv.yahoo.com/daytime/video/to...elly/24028884/
 
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