This needs to stop

[MacRoadie]

The track is where most great cyclists are born

And some serious, major-league doping was born on quite a few Soviet and East German tracks...

 

[MacRoadie]

Trust me when I say there would be many doctors on the track.....

With lots of blood...just ask Eddy B.

 

[Dazed and Confused]

And some serious, major-league doping was born on quite a few Soviet and East German tracks...

Berzin was a very solid track rider.

 

[Taxus4a]

but are you not forgetting .............it is just opinion ........members are entitled to their opinion

it's not going to make any difference to the real world of team sky or bike racing anyway

but your correct it's all very ridiculous

Mark L

Most of you dont know anything inside cycling and dont give your opinion, you asseverate that SKY is not clean, or even most of cycling dope, and if something talk in other way is a naive or a stupid or have any interest in that. I was in the other side, so I know why people think like that, but, if the current evidence are not enough, time will demostrate the truth.

the innuendo it is not good becouse there is nothing wrong with SKY, if you want to see something wrong, you will always find something, even in the cleanest cycling of the world.

In the past people said: i have never been tested possitive... today people of differente team, not only Tejay, but a lot, says that they believe SKY is clean, and to say this now, afeter everything we now today, after now that even Lance has fallen in desgrace, is very differente that to say the same 10 years ago.

I didnt believe Lance when he talked in Champs Elyses..I didnt Know the same than now inside cycling, but enough: there are no miracles...I just though, well, there is doping, he is a doper, but he is one of the best and there is still a lot of sacrifice behind these Tours, even with doping what he did is very big... It is not perfect, but.. In same way it is true, but I was quite naive then...Now when they say the same, I have enough information and evidence that is true, and that things have changed, and it is quite offesive when some people talk to be sure of things havent changed.
And it is quite annoying for me becouse there are stiil doping, not a lot, but there is, but it is not in SKY where people have to look for.

 

[TheGame]

Sky are not suspicious. Its official.

Can we now please close this and all other Sky threads (and might as well close all the ones for Saur, Argos, Cofidis, Garmin, Greenedge, Europcar and Francais de Jeux as well)

Thank you.

 

[noddy69]

Most of you dont know anything inside cycling and dont give your opinion, you asseverate that SKY is not clean, or even most of cycling dope, and if something talk in other way is a naive or a stupid or have any interest in that. I was in the other side, so I know why people think like that, but, if the current evidence are not enough, time will demostrate the truth.

the innuendo it is not good becouse there is nothing wrong with SKY, if you want to see something wrong, you will always find something, even in the cleanest cycling of the world.

In the past people said: i have never been tested possitive... today people of differente team, not only Tejay, but a lot, says that they believe SKY is clean, and to say this now, afeter everything we now today, after now that even Lance has fallen in desgrace, is very differente that to say the same 10 years ago.

I didnt believe Lance when he talked in Champs Elyses..I didnt Know the same than now inside cycling, but enough: there are no miracles...I just though, well, there is doping, he is a doper, but he is one of the best and there is still a lot of sacrifice behind these Tours, even with doping what he did is very big... It is not perfect, but.. In same way it is true, but I was quite naive then...Now when they say the same, I have enough information and evidence that is true, and that things have changed, and it is quite offesive when some people talk to be sure of things havent changed.
And it is quite annoying for me becouse there are stiil doping, not a lot, but there is, but it is not in SKY where people have to look for.

OK then well that solves that then. The most succesful team since postal are winning clean and obliterating dopers with their clean sky train.

Gotcha. Cycling has changed, and evolution has made a great leap forward.The human body clean is the way to be.

Extra extra read all about it, drugs are no longer performance enhancing, you only win if your clean.

 

[Mr. McQ]

Can we now please close this and all other Sky threads

Thank you.

This is partly my point Game

I only wanted to make it clear that what is being said is not healthy

It could be about almost any team (except I am a fan of Team SKY and SBW)

 

[noddy69]

This is partly my point Game

I only wanted to make it clear that what is being said is not healthy

It could be about almost any team (except I am a fan of Team SKY and SBW)

So close the clinic. Its just not healthy....why didn't you just come out and say so ? It would be so much easier.

 

[Fortyninefourteen]

All of the lies and innuendo about SKY should desist

It is ridiculous

There is no proof no rumour other than the comments of the incestuous cliniciadians

This really needs to stop It is not healthy for the sport, nor is it healthy for any person

We never put anyone's health at risk here.

 

[the sceptic]

This is partly my point Game

I only wanted to make it clear that what is being said is not healthy

It could be about almost any team (except I am a fan of Team SKY and SBW)

So GTFO and go cry somewhere else

 

[DirtyWorks]

I didnt believe Lance when he talked in Champs Elyses..I didnt Know the same than now inside cycling, but enough: there are no miracles...I just though, well, there is doping, he is a doper, but he is one of the best and there is still a lot of sacrifice behind these Tours, even with doping what he did is very big... It is not perfect, but.. In same way it is true, but I was quite naive then...Now when they say the same, I have enough information and evidence that is true, and that things have changed, and it is quite offesive when some people talk to be sure of things havent changed.
And it is quite annoying for me becouse there are stiil doping, not a lot, but there is, but it is not in SKY where people have to look for.

What year is this again? It feels like it's maybe 2005 and Festina was "in the past" and cycling was cleaner than ever.

For some reason you don't seem to understand the way a forum works. It's populated with opinions.

Most importantly though, why do you have an urgent need to vigourously defend Sky?

 

[Libertine Seguros]

Johann Hölzel was born in Wien Margareten (Vienna, okay?) on the 19th of February 1957. From a very early age, his musical talent became obvious. He was even called "a new Mozart".
His parents separated early, and he remained with his mum and grandmother. He left school at 16, and after trying a couple of jobs, he decided that music would be the right thing for him after all. He enrolled at the Music Conservatory in Vienna and started playing in different bands, in Vienna as well as in West Berlin. It was in 1977 that he decided to change his name to Falco, after an East German skier, Falko Weisspflog.

Falco early liveThis was the beginning of an extraordinary career. He felt that playing in bands like Drahdiwaberl and Spinning Wheel or the Hallucination Company could not entirely satisfy him; even though his song "Ganz Wien" (about the local drug scene) was a huge hit at the Drahdiwaberl gigs, he was mainly acting in the background, playing the bass guitar. So when marcus Spiegel from GIG records offered him a solo contract, he accepted.

"Ganz Wien" was included on his first solo album, Einzelhaft (1982), and was his first song to be banned from the radio, because of its controversial lyrics. His first single, "Der Kommissar", became an international hit. Falco's music, which was inspired by the arising New Wave style and by the first rap artists from the States, combined with his funny and often sarcastic lyrics in a German-English-Italian mixture where something completely new in the German speaking countries (and anywhere else too). Der Kommissar sold over 7 million copies (including cover versions). The album Einzelhaft, produced by Robert Ponger, was a huge success too.

It would be hard to produce a worthy follow-up album, and Junge Römer (Young Romans), released in 1984, turned out to be quite a flop, though highly appreciated by most critics. It was too refined, too far ahead of its time, to be a hit with the masses.

It was in 1986 that Falco had his huge break-through. For the album Falco 3 (1985), he had chosen the brothers Bolland from the Netherlands as producers. The first single "Rock Me Amadeus" jumped to Number 1 in Austria, Germany, the US, England and many other countries. It remained at the top of the US-charts for 4 weeks. The other hit single from the album, "Jeanny", was also the source of a huge scandal, since many people interpreted rape and murder into the song. "Jeanny" was banned from numerous radio stations and shops, but still found many fans.

Falco was at the top. Although of course he had reason enough to be happy with his success (and the money he was making), he felt the huge pressure this worldwide hit had put on him. Although he was world famous and had lots of money, his private life was more or less troubled.

The next album, Emotional, was released in 1986, and singles like "The Sound of Musik", "Coming Home" (follow-up to "Jeanny") and "Emotional" were more or less successful. After that, Falco had to cope more and more with his private problems (marriage to Isabella Vitkovic, divorce, later finding out that his "daughter" Katharina was not actually his...) and with alcohol problems. The albums Wiener Blut (1988) and Data de Groove (1991), produced with Robert Ponger again, remained more or less unrecognized, though they're masterpieces (hehe).

In 1992, he made a mid sized comeback with Nachtflug, which went to Number 1 in Austria. The single "Titanic" remained in the charts for 18 weeks, the album for 17. For the first time in 6 years, Falco went on tour again. After that, he again concentrated more on his private life for a couple of years, until he had another hit with the Techno-style single "Mutter, der Mann mit dem Koks ist da" (1995), which was especially successful in Germany.

Falco in the DomRepIn 1996, Hans decided to leave his beloved Vienna behind and moved to the Dominican Republic, fleeing from the ever indiscreet media in Austria. After another single release in 1996 ("Naked"), he worked on his next (and, as it turned out, final) album. It was almost finished and supposed to be released under the title "Egoisten".

Sadly, Hans Hölzel died in a fatal car crash in the Dominican Republic on February 6th 1998. A coach ran into his Mitsubishi Pajero while he was coming out of a parking lot. The new album was released post-humously as Out Of The Dark. So far, two singles have been released: Out of the Dark" and "Egoist", both of them entered the charts.

 

[LaFlorecita]

Sky are not suspicious. Its official.

Can we now please close this and all other Sky threads (and might as well close all the ones for Saur, Argos, Cofidis, Garmin, Greenedge, Europcar and Francais de Jeux as well)

Thank you.

Lol. this is what makes this whole situation so sad. They're actually fooling people.

Oh well we just have to wait 10+ yrs.

 

[Zam_Olyas]

What can you do about it? sue us?

 

[DirtyWorks]

This is partly my point Game

I only wanted to make it clear that what is being said is not healthy

Sharing opinion is not healthy? Oh Noes!

Should I make an appointment with a cardiologist? Please Mr McQ, tell me! Game, please advise!

It could be about almost any team (except I am a fan of Team SKY and SBW)

Errr. So, doping might be widespread, but how dare anyone mention Sky. That makes perfect sense.

 

[del1962]

Mr McQ

Many in the clinic need Sky, they need something to complain about, while they can admire their doped up heroes like Vino, Pantani and the rest, the thing they really hate is the possibility that Sky might be clean.

 

[Libertine Seguros]

Mr McQ

Many in the clinic need Sky, they need something to complain about, while they can admire their doped up heroes like Vino, Pantani and the rest, the thing they really hate is the possibility that Sky might be clean.

Yes, that's right, everybody in the Clinic is a Pantani fan. We are legion.

 

[King Boonen]

This is partly my point Game

I only wanted to make it clear that what is being said is not healthy

It could be about almost any team (except I am a fan of Team SKY and SBW)

Sonny Bill Williams is a cyclist now?

 

[MacRoadie]

Yes, that's right, everybody in the Clinic is a Pantani fan. We are legion.

Not me. I've shifted my allegiance to Riccardo Ricco. I like his hair better.

 

[Mr. McQ]

Sonny Bill Williams is a cyclist now?

Your wit is fairly dull

Of course it is Sir Bradley Wiggins

 

[King Boonen]

Your wit is fairly dull

Of course it is Sir Bradley Wiggins

Ah, a Monarchist.

 

[King Boonen]

Not me. I've shifted my allegiance to Riccardo Ricco. I like his hair better.

If hair wins the day surely Cipo can't be beat?

 

[JRTinMA]

Johann Hölzel was born in Wien Margareten (Vienna, okay?) on the 19th of February 1957. From a very early age, his musical talent became obvious. He was even called "a new Mozart".
His parents separated early, and he remained with his mum and grandmother. He left school at 16, and after trying a couple of jobs, he decided that music would be the right thing for him after all. He enrolled at the Music Conservatory in Vienna and started playing in different bands, in Vienna as well as in West Berlin. It was in 1977 that he decided to change his name to Falco, after an East German skier, Falko Weisspflog.

Falco early liveThis was the beginning of an extraordinary career. He felt that playing in bands like Drahdiwaberl and Spinning Wheel or the Hallucination Company could not entirely satisfy him; even though his song "Ganz Wien" (about the local drug scene) was a huge hit at the Drahdiwaberl gigs, he was mainly acting in the background, playing the bass guitar. So when marcus Spiegel from GIG records offered him a solo contract, he accepted.

"Ganz Wien" was included on his first solo album, Einzelhaft (1982), and was his first song to be banned from the radio, because of its controversial lyrics. His first single, "Der Kommissar", became an international hit. Falco's music, which was inspired by the arising New Wave style and by the first rap artists from the States, combined with his funny and often sarcastic lyrics in a German-English-Italian mixture where something completely new in the German speaking countries (and anywhere else too). Der Kommissar sold over 7 million copies (including cover versions). The album Einzelhaft, produced by Robert Ponger, was a huge success too.

It would be hard to produce a worthy follow-up album, and Junge Römer (Young Romans), released in 1984, turned out to be quite a flop, though highly appreciated by most critics. It was too refined, too far ahead of its time, to be a hit with the masses.

It was in 1986 that Falco had his huge break-through. For the album Falco 3 (1985), he had chosen the brothers Bolland from the Netherlands as producers. The first single "Rock Me Amadeus" jumped to Number 1 in Austria, Germany, the US, England and many other countries. It remained at the top of the US-charts for 4 weeks. The other hit single from the album, "Jeanny", was also the source of a huge scandal, since many people interpreted rape and murder into the song. "Jeanny" was banned from numerous radio stations and shops, but still found many fans.

Falco was at the top. Although of course he had reason enough to be happy with his success (and the money he was making), he felt the huge pressure this worldwide hit had put on him. Although he was world famous and had lots of money, his private life was more or less troubled.

The next album, Emotional, was released in 1986, and singles like "The Sound of Musik", "Coming Home" (follow-up to "Jeanny") and "Emotional" were more or less successful. After that, Falco had to cope more and more with his private problems (marriage to Isabella Vitkovic, divorce, later finding out that his "daughter" Katharina was not actually his...) and with alcohol problems. The albums Wiener Blut (1988) and Data de Groove (1991), produced with Robert Ponger again, remained more or less unrecognized, though they're masterpieces (hehe).

In 1992, he made a mid sized comeback with Nachtflug, which went to Number 1 in Austria. The single "Titanic" remained in the charts for 18 weeks, the album for 17. For the first time in 6 years, Falco went on tour again. After that, he again concentrated more on his private life for a couple of years, until he had another hit with the Techno-style single "Mutter, der Mann mit dem Koks ist da" (1995), which was especially successful in Germany.

Falco in the DomRepIn 1996, Hans decided to leave his beloved Vienna behind and moved to the Dominican Republic, fleeing from the ever indiscreet media in Austria. After another single release in 1996 ("Naked"), he worked on his next (and, as it turned out, final) album. It was almost finished and supposed to be released under the title "Egoisten".

Sadly, Hans Hölzel died in a fatal car crash in the Dominican Republic on February 6th 1998. A coach ran into his Mitsubishi Pajero while he was coming out of a parking lot. The new album was released post-humously as Out Of The Dark. So far, two singles have been released: Out of the Dark" and "Egoist", both of them entered the charts.

Interesting post.

 

[del1962]

Yes, that's right, everybody in the Clinic is a Pantani fan. We are legion.

You need to improove your reading comprehension skills

 

[JRTinMA]

Your wit is fairly dull

Of course it is Sir Bradley Wiggins

Is he an OBE or a MBE?