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andy1234 said:
Silly me, I must be thinking of someone else recording phone conversations in order to gain mitigating evidence.

If your business and livelihood was being attacked you would just sit there and take it?

The Trek case made it clear who was on a crusade. You forget it was Armstrong who announced to a table full of people that he was going to call Burke and work with him to sink Lemond' bikes. It was Armstrong who hired a PR firm to slime Greg and invent the myth of a crusade. It was Armstrong who contacted Tim Blixseth to try to interfere with their business dealings.

Armstrong's crusade has given Greg a slam dunk case for tortious interference. It is nice to see that Greg can now speak his mind without fear of Armstrong's crusade to silence those that question his myth.
 

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andy1234 said:
Silly me, I must be thinking of someone else recording phone conversations in order to gain mitigating evidence.

"Mitigating evidence" eh, was this before or after LA had threatened him? (Its ok, I already know the answer) If you don't then you can bring up your opinions in the appropriate thread, I'd be more than happy to set the record straight for you.
 
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"Mitigating evidence" eh, was this before or after LA had threatened him? (Its ok, I already know the answer) If you don't then you can bring up your opinions in the appropriate thread, I'd be more than happy to set the record straight for you.

It makes no difference when it happened. You may remember that I am NOT defending Armstrong's actions.
What it does display is a concerted effort to damage Armstrong, regardless of the reasons. I WOULD have done the same thing in his circumstances.

Getting back to my original point, this sort of behaviour shows that LeMonds motive for stepping up the anti doping message are compromised and he shouldn't be relied upon for his message any more than Armstrong.
 
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It makes no difference when it happened. You may remember that I am NOT defending Armstrong's actions.

With your repeating of the Armstrong invented smear of a Lemond "Crusade" you are promoting Armstrong's agenda. Pretending that three comments over 8 years is "Stepping up" only confirms this.
 

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It makes no difference when it happened. You may remember that I am NOT defending Armstrong's actions.
What it does display is a concerted effort to damage Armstrong, regardless of the reasons. I WOULD have done the same thing in his circumstances.

Getting back to my original point, this sort of behaviour shows that LeMonds motive for stepping up the anti doping message are compromised and he shouldn't be relied upon for his message any more than Armstrong.

Your 'original point' - would this be the point that only you bring up and have admitted that no-one would be able to show, as your point does not exist?
 
Dr. Maserati said:
Your 'original point' - would this be the point that only you bring up and have admitted that no-one would be able to show, as your point does not exist?


You are excellent at sidelong a debate.
It's a good skill, especially around here.

Enjoy your virtual life.
 
Dr. Maserati said:
Your 'original point' - would this be the point that only you bring up and have admitted that no-one would be able to show, as your point does not exist?

Nicely worded post, total boll?!?cks but nicely worded.
My point exists, the evidence to disprove it does not.

HTH.
 
Race Radio said:
With your repeating of the Armstrong invented smear of a Lemond "Crusade" you are promoting Armstrong's agenda. Pretending that three comments over 8 years is "Stepping up" only confirms this.

I couldn't give a xxxx what Armstrong says or thinks about the subject.

I'm basing my statements on my knowledge of LeMond and his actions.

If that coincides with Armstrong PR, then tough luck.
 

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andy1234 said:
Nicely worded post, total boll?!?cks but nicely worded.
My point exists, the evidence to disprove it does not.

HTH.
Meh..... this is what you wrote earlier.
andy1234 said:
One poster even conceded that I was asking for something that people would be unable to provide. He then went further to say that I knew this.

The Truth is, I did half know this, but I asked the question to stimulate some activity on the subject.
 
Dr. Maserati said:
Your 'original point' - would this be the point that only you bring up and have admitted that no-one would be able to show, as your point does not exist?

"meh" really?

Let me quote you again, read it? Good.

My point does exist, I made, it remember??
No one would be able to show evidence contrary to my point is what I said.



All clear?
 
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andy1234 said:
I couldn't give a xxxx what Armstrong says or thinks about the subject.

I'm basing my statements on my knowledge of LeMond and his actions.

If that coincides with Armstrong PR, then tough luck.

Actions? what actions? 3 quotes in 8 years is a pretty weak crusade. It is only Armstrong's media spin that has some gullible people believing this.
 
Race Radio said:
Actions? what actions? 3 quotes in 8 years is a pretty weak crusade. It is only Armstrong's media spin that has some gullible people believing this.

Wherever you are, you need to get a better source of news.
3 quotes in 8 years? Maybe where you are, but not in the rest of the world.
 
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Wherever you are, you need to get a better source of news.
3 quotes in 8 years? Maybe where you are, but not in the rest of the world.

Then you should have been helping Trek with their case because that is all they could come up with. Please share with us all the pre-Trek settlement Lemond quotes about Armstrong. Greg was interviewed hundreds of times prior to the trial. He spoke on panels, conferences. It should be easy for you to come up with dozens of quotes of him slamming Armstrong from 2000-2008. Show us the evidence of this crusade.
 
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Then you should have been helping Trek with their case because that is all they could come up with. Please share with us all the pre-Trek settlement Lemond quotes about Armstrong. Greg was interviewed hundreds of times prior to the trial. He spoke on panels, conferences. It should be easy for you to come up with dozens of quotes of him slamming Armstrong from 2000-2008. Show us the evidence of this crusade.

No, I'm not interested anymore. Take it as a victory.
 

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"meh" really?

Let me quote you again, read it? Good.

My point does exist, I made, it remember??
No one would be able to show evidence contrary to my point is what I said.



All clear?

Any you were right - no-one could............. and indeed no-one ever will.
 
andy1234 said:
No, what I would have said was..

"I got nothing I was just talking out of my Hugh Januss"

Btw I'm anything but a fanboy

You make this protracted three day argument about god knows what, other than to somehow try to discredit what LeMond has to say about doping in pro cycling, and then when you are asked to repeat what it is you think LeMond has said, you suddenly can't be bothered any more?
Maybe you are not a fanboy, maybe you are just posting the things you do for the sole reason of taking a contrary position in order to spark an argument. Oh but wait that can't be it, that would be trolling and you have already assured everyone that you are not one of those.
Well then what do you really believe?
 
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You make this protracted three day argument about god knows what, other than to somehow try to discredit what LeMond has to say about doping in pro cycling, and then when you are asked to repeat what it is you think LeMond has said, you suddenly can't be bothered any more?
Maybe you are not a fanboy, maybe you are just posting the things you do for the sole reason of taking a contrary position in order to spark an argument. Oh but wait that can't be it, that would be trolling and you have already assured everyone that you are not one of those.
Well then what do you really believe?

Are you still here?
 
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Andy, here's the Doctor. Doctor; Andy's here for an exam and it has to be done by July 31st. Should I get the elbow length latex gloves?
 
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Is it just me or is this place a little more sane lately? If so, what is the reason for this - the increase of mod powers, the removal of a few rotten apples, or is it just the usual post-July hangover?
 
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pedaling squares said:
Is it just me or is this place a little more sane lately? If so, what is the reason for this - the increase of mod powers, the removal of a few rotten apples, or is it just the usual post-July hangover?

Sorry, but I'm back. I have been away from my pc for the period you describe, so I guess that is me told :)

I think it is a combo of more active and effective modding, and an easily excitable one-rider bubble that deflated itself nicely from within over the summer.

I actually thought that July too was very tolerable. Mods stepped up their game just before it, and it seems to have had a real impact. I always think it is a shame that some cycling enthusiasts see their attention diverted away from just enjoying the banter here, and get entangled in dealing with the aggro of others. i usually thank the volunteers at this point who help to keep my pleasure levels up, and then Susan comes in to point out that she is paid. So thanks to all those that chip in their bit, except Susan then.