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pmcg76 said:He was a surprise selection in that 92 team as there were a lot bigger names like Julich/Evanshire/Baker/Hincapie/Carney around then, I think he got on the team due to some points system or something. He never turned pro either I dont think, no idea what became of him, just disappeared like many others I guess.
joe_papp said:Actually, in defense of Tim, he made the team fair and square by winning the selection race! That threw a monkey wrench in the plans of USCF, which wanted Darren Baker to have that slot.
Just wondered what happened to him after the race...
And Matt Johnson, too. Anyone remember him? Insanely strong.
Oldman said:I've mentioned several times the number of junior riders that made the World's TTT team and other squads that quit when faced with both coaches and international pressure to dope. Look at the young riders that raced along side them for more names that retired young. Matt Johnson has raced some and saw him two summers ago at Marymoor Velodrome. He was all class but smart enough to want more.
Thanks, Jiri, Chris M for flushing good riders down the drain.
Oldman said:I've mentioned several times the number of junior riders that made the World's TTT team and other squads that quit when faced with both coaches and international pressure to dope. Look at the young riders that raced along side them for more names that retired young. Matt Johnson has raced some and saw him two summers ago at Marymoor Velodrome. He was all class but smart enough to want more.
Thanks, Jiri, Chris M for flushing good riders down the drain.
joe_papp said:Smart enough? lol I guess, though maybe "realistic" is a better term.
Anyway, I found a pretty cool Google book "The Evolution of American Bicycle Racing" while searching for info on Peddie. The pre-1989 info was enjoyable to read, and most of it was new to me. Link here.
Oldman said:I would guess your perspective would be different if you didn't take the path that led you to your current condition, wouldn't it? These guys were young and were completely naive to what would be expected of them. Most of them talked about it alot with teammates and friends before making a choice.
131313 said:When searching unsuccessfully for the news of Levi's bust before another poster found it on the wayback machine, I came across this right here:
http://www.ncnca.org/road/1996/ExeterRR.html#senior1
If you want to start a list of guys who got screwed by the actions of people like yourself (and obviously tons others), you can simply look at the very top of the list of the P1/2 race. A clean dude smoked a lot of guys who ended up choosing a different path, complete with fame, fortune and podium girls.
Sad, on the one hand, but I'm sure Kirk can sleep well at night.
joe_papp said:But c'mon, "people like yourself"? Just say "doped riders" or "cheaters." It's hardly as if I'm the standard-bearer for cyclists who've doped, although I'm one who did.
Fred Thistle said:That irks you?
What irks me is that 'cheating' is getting so much press... it is getting acceptance. Doping at the veterans racing is rife! Veterans for chrisake!!
That some 'dopers' can just turn around and say sorry for thier thievery (and drug pushing) and still expect to participate in the cycling world (including this forum)... unbelievable.
lie down with dogs...
But you were here first. I see you have lots of 'forum friends'... I will look up how to use the ignore function... but I'm still irked.
A newbie to the CN forum after years of CN patronage... dissappointed in what I've found is acceptable
Runitout said:Edited to remove response to Mr Thistle - right you are, 180mm crank.
131313 said:When searching unsuccessfully for the news of Levi's bust before another poster found it on the wayback machine, I came across this right here:
http://www.ncnca.org/road/1996/ExeterRR.html#senior1
If you want to start a list of guys who got screwed by the actions of people like yourself (and obviously tons others), you can simply look at the very top of the list of the P1/2 race. A clean dude smoked a lot of guys who ended up choosing a different path, complete with fame, fortune and podium girls.
Sad, on the one hand, but I'm sure Kirk can sleep well at night.
TRDean said:Joe,
When I was coming up through the junior ranks in the 80s what I saw was a LOT of guys come up who had so much talent it blew me away. Some of these kids could flat out fly. One name that stick out is Steve Scuron (sp) who won the US Crit championship (men) at age 16 I think. He came out of nowhere...all the sudden there was one race...this new kid goes off the front...gets about a 50 meter gap and we can't close it!! Freakin unbelievable. I think he came from BMX or something. There were other kids in the Philly, NJ, north east area that were fast too. What I think happened, was that these guys come in, kick ****, train a lot..and I mean a lot...and then burn out!! Plain burn out!! As I moved into the senior ranks it was like I could almost pick out the kids (after talking with them about training, etc.) who would burn out and not go anywhere in cycling.
I live in NC now and my son races...I am trying to keep the training to a minimum (he is only 13). But many of the boys he races against are logging 200 or more miles per week, with heavy intervals, etc. I keep telling him, it does not matter what you are doing as a young junior...it starts to matter when you are older.
Does anyone remember Danny Fox? Kid out of Philly...he actually did pretty well for himself. He was a huge natural talent...kept the training legit and actually made it a year or two in Italy, before there were many Americans there.
Just my opinions...hope I didn't hijack the thread too much...I appreciate all your posts!!
joe_papp said:Well, while I understand how "newbies" feel that it is their right to express the same outrage to me that I've been on the receiving end for months, at this point, in this forum, I'm here for a doping-free discussion and you hijacked this thread which was about Tim Peddie by injecting a doping argument into it. If you want to ignore me, great, but try not to ignore etiquette here - and please keep doping w/in The Clinic.
joe_papp said:Well, while I understand how "newbies" feel that it is their right to express the same outrage to me that I've been on the receiving end for months, at this point, in this forum, I'm here for a doping-free discussion and you hijacked this thread which was about Tim Peddie by injecting a doping argument into it. If you want to ignore me, great, but try not to ignore etiquette here - and please keep doping w/in The Clinic.
TRDean said:Joe,
When I was coming up through the junior ranks in the 80s what I saw was a LOT of guys come up who had so much talent it blew me away. Some of these kids could flat out fly. One name that stick out is Steve Scuron (sp) who won the US Crit championship (men) at age 16 I think. He came out of nowhere...all the sudden there was one race...this new kid goes off the front...gets about a 50 meter gap and we can't close it!! Freakin unbelievable. I think he came from BMX or something. There were other kids in the Philly, NJ, north east area that were fast too. What I think happened, was that these guys come in, kick ****, train a lot..and I mean a lot...and then burn out!! Plain burn out!! As I moved into the senior ranks it was like I could almost pick out the kids (after talking with them about training, etc.) who would burn out and not go anywhere in cycling.
I live in NC now and my son races...I am trying to keep the training to a minimum (he is only 13). But many of the boys he races against are logging 200 or more miles per week, with heavy intervals, etc. I keep telling him, it does not matter what you are doing as a young junior...it starts to matter when you are older.
Does anyone remember Danny Fox? Kid out of Philly...he actually did pretty well for himself. He was a huge natural talent...kept the training legit and actually made it a year or two in Italy, before there were many Americans there.
Just my opinions...hope I didn't hijack the thread too much...I appreciate all your posts!!