Tirreno - Adriatico 2016 09/03/16 - 15/03/16 2.UWT

[May0maniac]

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He even retweeted an Astana tweet:
"We ask, at least, to change the Monday stage finish to an uphill finish..." Alexandre Vinokourov
https://twitter.com/AstanaTeam/status/708729267161534464

I would guess that tibopino wasn't too excited at the prospect of snowy downhills and he wouldn't mind if the Vino option ( ) prevailed. His tweet is quite weird tho': the Monday finish is no more than a false flat. Or does he think that he can make up his 18 secs in the ITT while holding off Nibbles and Piti?

Sarcasm.

 

[jaylew]

Re: Re:

He even retweeted an Astana tweet:
"We ask, at least, to change the Monday stage finish to an uphill finish..." Alexandre Vinokourov
https://twitter.com/AstanaTeam/status/708729267161534464

I would guess that tibopino wasn't too excited at the prospect of snowy downhills and he wouldn't mind if the Vino option ( ) prevailed. His tweet is quite weird tho': the Monday finish is no more than a false flat. Or does he think that he can make up his 18 secs in the ITT while holding off Nibbles and Piti?

I took it as sarcasm.

 

[del1962]

Bet Tony Martin and Spartacus wish they had raced differently now

 

[Tonton]

Re: Re:

He even retweeted an Astana tweet:
"We ask, at least, to change the Monday stage finish to an uphill finish..." Alexandre Vinokourov
https://twitter.com/AstanaTeam/status/708729267161534464

I would guess that tibopino wasn't too excited at the prospect of snowy downhills and he wouldn't mind if the Vino option ( ) prevailed. His tweet is quite weird tho': the Monday finish is no more than a false flat. Or does he think that he can make up his 18 secs in the ITT while holding off Nibbles and Piti?

I took it as sarcasm.

Yes, you're right . What a bummer. I was so pumped up, I had my day so planned: up early, huge ride with Phil and Paul screaming my exploits in my head, quick shower and hopefully a Thibaut win over Nibbles, or at worst a second place. Damn...

 

[Christian]

Jungels with an actual shot to win this now? I don't know how much he has been focusing on his ITT recently but normally he is good in these short ones!

 

[LaFlorecita]

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Bet Tony Martin and Spartacus wish they had raced differently now

I was thinking the same thing.

 

[Gigs_98]

And this happens if you make a race with only one hard mountain stage with no backup if there is bad weather and make the remaining 6 stages flat. Applause applause, I'm already afraid of the giro with one single real mountain stage which is never higher than 2000 meters. At least there are some medium mountain stages and ofc the MTT, although I have to say that I'm not sure if a time trial in snowy conditions is really safe enough for the riders

 

[del1962]

And this happens if you make a race with only one hard mountain stage with no backup if there is bad weather and make the remaining 6 stages flat. Applause applause, I'm already afraid of the giro with one single real mountain stage which is never higher than 2000 meters. At least there are some medium mountain stages and ofc the MTT, although I have to say that I'm not sure if a time trial in snowy conditions is really safe enough for the riders

May is not March

 

[Gigs_98]

And this happens if you make a race with only one hard mountain stage with no backup if there is bad weather and make the remaining 6 stages flat. Applause applause, I'm already afraid of the giro with one single real mountain stage which is never higher than 2000 meters. At least there are some medium mountain stages and ofc the MTT, although I have to say that I'm not sure if a time trial in snowy conditions is really safe enough for the riders

May is not March

Right, there will never be a giro stage cancelled due to snow

 

[Poursuivant]

I was on for a nice windfall if Pinot won, I am gutted!
One cancellation changes the whole balance of the race, pathetic.

 

[TMP402]

It's a good job today's climb wasn't as suited to Matthews as many predicted or the 2016 WT would go down in history as a year of organisers' cowardice. T-A going that way is bad enough though.

 

[gregrowlerson]

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This guy is in charge of the Giro right? Bad weather this Giro and Dumoulin might win it

After all of the cutting down on ITT kms in grand tours over almost a decade, regular cancellation of high mountain stages might finally result in the return of the mythical "balanced parcours"

But if Cancellara wins a GT then they have gone too far

 

[RedheadDane]

And this happens if you make a race with only one hard mountain stage with no backup if there is bad weather and make the remaining 6 stages flat. Applause applause, I'm already afraid of the giro with one single real mountain stage which is never higher than 2000 meters. At least there are some medium mountain stages and ofc the MTT, although I have to say that I'm not sure if a time trial in snowy conditions is really safe enough for the riders

May is not March

Right, there will never be a giro stage cancelled due to snow

In May you need to go significantly higher up for snow to be an issue, than you do in March. Just look at that (in)famour Giro stage from two years ago; once they got down into the valley it was basically summer, at least compared to the top of the mountain. Not to mention that the risks of snow in May are just somewhat smaller than in March.

It's a good job today's climb wasn't as suited to Matthews as many predicted or the 2016 WT would go down in history as a year of organisers' cowardice. T-A going that way is bad enough though.

Or... it'll go down in history as a year of organisers' courage. Courage to cancel races when the weather demands it, despite what some people - who have nothing to lose from it - might say about it.
Seriously, am I really that weird for thinking this development towards caring more for the riders than for the races is a good thing? Races will continue even if a few stages get cancelled, and it's not like they cancel whenever it's just raining a little bit.

 

[Alexandre B.]

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I was on for a nice windfall if Pinot won, I am gutted!
One cancellation changes the whole balance of the race, pathetic.

A WT stage race that will only be decided on (T)TTs. Is this Tour of Poland?

 

[rhubroma]

What a disgrace. This is what happens when over-corporatization invades the sport. Here is the forecast for the nearby town of Albacina.

http://www.meteo-allerta.it/it/europa/italia/meteo-albacina/details/N-171352/

These guys are paid to ride. They should have at least tried to hold the stage. Preventative cancellation is like preventative war, it always ends badly.

 

[Eshnar]

The weather was only an excuse. I'm sure they cancelled the stage for another reason.
On the Gazzetta website Vegni (translated by me):

A hypotetical plan C in the valleys with no climbs would have no sense race-wise, so we could as well cancel the stage completely.

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This are the words of somebody who just did not want to (or could not) arrive at the finish at any cost. Probably he had a fight with the locals or something. Either that, or he has gone mental.

 

[rhubroma]

Re:

The weather was only an excuse. I'm sure they cancelled the stage for another reason.
On the Gazzetta website Vegni (translated by me):

A hypotetical plan C in the valleys with no climbs would have no sense race-wise, so we could as well cancel the stage completely.

:

This are the words of somebody who just did not want to (or could not) arrive at the finish at any cost. Probably he had a fight with the locals or something. Either that, or he has gone mental.

I'll check la Gazzatte hard copy this morning. This reflects very poorly on Vegni and the Italians. They should just plow the damn roads and see what happens. If it doesn't snow they will look like complete morons.

 

[Eshnar]

Monte San Vicino was already planned last year in the stage to Castelraimondo, but got cancelled due to bad weather. Everybody on the internet were saying it was ***, and that instead the reason was that the tarmac was in horrible condition. I wouldn't be surprised if Monte San Vicino today is still not raceable to the surface. And if it's the case, no wonder Vegni is pissed with the local authorities and doesn't want to finish anywhere near there.
All speculation ofc. But what happened yesterday is either this or total madness.

 

[SafeBet]

And this happens if you make a race with only one hard mountain stage with no backup if there is bad weather and make the remaining 6 stages flat. Applause applause, I'm already afraid of the giro with one single real mountain stage which is never higher than 2000 meters. At least there are some medium mountain stages and ofc the MTT, although I have to say that I'm not sure if a time trial in snowy conditions is really safe enough for the riders

May is not March

And 1200mt is not 2500mt.

 

[rhubroma]

I doubt it's the road surface. Having consulted la Gazzetta this morning my interpretation is that Vegni caved into pressure from his staff and crew. We read that it is usually the riders' association that requests that a stage not be raced. Instead it was ASO that came forward and asked that the stage be cancelled. Thus it appears that they didn't want to set things in place for the stage to be raced and, taking recourse to the new rules and what happened at Paris Nice, ASO shamefully renigged on THEIR DUTY. Vegni should resign for this if it doesn't snow.

Like I previously stated preventative cancellation is poor, poor form.

After the Stelvio debacle of the 2014 Giro, Vegni is obviously an incompetent.

 

[Kwibus]

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What a disgrace. This is what happens when over-corporatization invades the sport. Here is the forecast for the nearby town of Albacina.

http://www.meteo-allerta.it/it/europa/italia/meteo-albacina/details/N-171352/

These guys are paid to ride. They should have at least tried to hold the stage. Preventative cancellation is like preventative war, it always ends badly.

Fully agree. I really dislike the preventive actions. The way they handled it at paris nice was just fine. Start and see what happens.

They probably bowed for Lefevre and his co-whiners. Blergh!

 

[Kwibus]

Re: Re:

The weather was only an excuse. I'm sure they cancelled the stage for another reason.
On the Gazzetta website Vegni (translated by me):

A hypotetical plan C in the valleys with no climbs would have no sense race-wise, so we could as well cancel the stage completely.

:

This are the words of somebody who just did not want to (or could not) arrive at the finish at any cost. Probably he had a fight with the locals or something. Either that, or he has gone mental.

I'll check la Gazzatte hard copy this morning. This reflects very poorly on Vegni and the Italians. They should just plow the damn roads and see what happens. If it doesn't snow they will look like complete morons.

I so hope it doesn't snow. This way the preventive actions will be frowned upon atleast.

 

[Gigs_98]

And this happens if you make a race with only one hard mountain stage with no backup if there is bad weather and make the remaining 6 stages flat. Applause applause, I'm already afraid of the giro with one single real mountain stage which is never higher than 2000 meters. At least there are some medium mountain stages and ofc the MTT, although I have to say that I'm not sure if a time trial in snowy conditions is really safe enough for the riders

May is not March

Right, there will never be a giro stage cancelled due to snow

In May you need to go significantly higher up for snow to be an issue, than you do in March. Just look at that (in)famour Giro stage from two years ago; once they got down into the valley it was basically summer, at least compared to the top of the mountain. Not to mention that the risks of snow in May are just somewhat smaller than in March.

Did you even read what I wrote. Or do you think 1500 meters higher than todays stage isn't significantly?

 

[rhubroma]

I doubt it's the road surface. Having consulted la Gazzetta this morning my interpretation is that Vegni caved into pressure from his staff and crew. We read that it is usually the riders' association that requests that a stage not be raced. Instead it was ASO that came forward and asked that the stage be cancelled. Thus it appears that they didn't want to set things in place for the stage to be raced and, taking recourse to the new rules and what happened at Paris Nice, ASO shamefully renigged on THEIR DUTY. Vegni should resign for this if it doesn't snow.

Like I previously stated preventative cancellation is poor, poor form.

After the Stelvio debacle of the 2014 Giro, Vegni is obviously an incompetent.

 

[Ricco']

Re:

I doubt it's the road surface. Having consulted la Gazzetta this morning my interpretation is that Vegni caved into pressure from his staff and crew. We read that it is usually the riders' association that requests that a stage not be raced. Instead it was ASO that came forward and asked that the stage be cancelled. Thus it appears that they didn't want to set things in place for the stage to be raced and, taking recourse to the new rules and what happened at Paris Nice, ASO shamefully renigged on THEIR DUTY. Vegni should resign for this if it doesn't snow.

Like I previously stated preventative cancellation is poor, poor form.

After the Stelvio debacle of the 2014 Giro, Vegni is obviously an incompetent.

ASO or RCS?