Tirreno - Adriatico 2022 (7.03-13.03)

[gregrowlerson]

Well, it's time to tune your sarcasm detector...

Just like UAE & Jumbo, the forum is in outstanding early season form.

Should I take this discussion elsewhere?

 

[Netserk]

Whatever you do with your spare time is your business, so i won't lose any sleep over who you would give the edge to or what you read. PCS all time ranking is based on big results and favors bigger wins, and yet Evenepoel is ahead of the Slovenian Masnada by a landslide. Makes you think. Or not.

Valverde is ahead of Coppi by 23 % and will surpass Anquetil this year. Rebellin is ahead of Gilbert, Contador and Cancellara. Makes you think. Or not.

 

[Logic-is-your-friend]

Valverde is ahead of Coppi by 23 % and will surpass Anquetil this year. Rebellin is ahead of Gilbert, Contador and Cancellara. Makes you think. Or not.

Amazing, and they did this with only 20% of raced kms? Or you didn't take the thinking part too seriously, did you.

 

[AlfaLum]

I thought this whole Evenepoel = Belgium Spilak thing was a meme that was supposed to be funny.
It is really surprising that such a comparison that can only be taken as a joke has actually turned into something of a discussion.

 

[Carrick-On-Seine]

I thought this whole Evenepoel = Belgium Spilak thing was a meme that was supposed to be funny.
It is really surprising that such a comparison that can only be taken as a joke has actually turned into something of a discussion.

Yeah considering the person who started it thinks that Masnada will win the Tour, Vuelta. Giro, Le Prix de L'arc de Triomphe, Wimbledon and the Eurovision Song Contest.

 

[Ilmaestro99]

Guys, relax, its all a bit of fun. That's partly why we love cycling, it's fun.

I started the Belgian Simon Spilak joke before the last Giro. Because Remco is a Belgian Simon spilak. Put him in Tour de Romandie or Tour de Suisse or Balise Belgium Tour and he could probably destroy even Pogacar or Roglic, just as Spilak could destroy froome or Contador. He can also easily win races like Paris Nice, Tirreno, Algarve etc. But not a grand tour.

I was slightly confused as to why Quickstep announced Remco as a leader of 2021 Giro, instead of Masnada. Fausto was a rider I considered greatly underrated. He accidentally got a GC top 10 at the Giro in 2020, and made froome and nibali consider retirement at the 2019 Tour of the Alpes. But sadly he was on the team with his royal highness the Prince of flanders, Remco 'Belgian Simon spilak' Evenepoel.

I'm sure Fausto would be great at tennis, because he has great endurance (as we saw in Lombardia when he destroyed roglic and alaphilippe) and a long reach. I'm not sure however that he could quite win Eurovision , although I've never heard him sing. He would have my vote.

I hope Fausto will finally get this year some results that match his talent, and I'm sure Remco will take many impressive victories and keep his fans happy. They have nothing to worry about.

Enjoy the racing.

 

[Samamba]

You don't need to be able to sing to win Eurovision so i'd give hime a chance

 

[Red Rick]

Any start times on the stage and GC favorites?

 

[Netserk]

Starttimes for the GC/ITT favorites.

14.37 – Richie Porte (INEOS Grenadiers)
14.40 – Damiano Caruso (Bahrain Victorious)
14.55 – Romain Bardet (Team DSM)
15.20 – Davide Formolo (UAE Emirates)
15.51 – Jos van Emden (Jumbo-Visma)
16.01 – Magnus Cort (EF Education-EasyPost)
16.13 – Richard Carapaz (INEOS Grenadiers)
16.15 – Edoardo Affini (Jumbo-Visma)
16.17 – Kasper Asgreen (Quick-Step-Alpha Vinyl)
16.23 – Wilco Kelderman (BORA-hansgrohe)
16.32 – Mikkel Bjerg (UAE Emirates)
16.33 – Miguel Ángel López (Astana Qazaqstan)
16.37 – Filippo Ganna (INEOS Grenadiers)
16.39 – Jonas Vingegaard (Jumbo-Visma)
16.40 – Jan Tratnik (Bahrain Victorious)
16.41 – Remco Evenepoel (Quick-Step-Alpha Vinyl)
16.43 – Enric Mas (Movistar)
16.50 – Giulio Ciccone (Trek-Segafredo)
16.51 – Benjamin Thomas (Cofidis)
16.56 – Tadej Pogačar (UAE Emirates)

See here @Red Rick

 

[tomorrow]

Yeah? That was one of Sagan's best ever wins, it doesn't mean the route is easy...

Well, Sagan was actually dropped on the second to last hill, then chased in the downhill, and in the last ramp, he went to the front like he wanted to attack, which somehow scared Quintana and others and they did not try anything on him. I am not sure Sagan did it on purpose, but that's what it looked like. If so, that would be a tactical masterpiece from his side, and something very odd and rare for him.

Unfortunately, it will hardly repeat this year. The young slovenian will definitely animate the race, that even 2017 Sagan would not make any impact.

 

[will-10]

I thought this whole Evenepoel = Belgium Spilak thing was a meme that was supposed to be funny.
It is really surprising that such a comparison that can only be taken as a joke has actually turned into something of a discussion.

I thought it was legit - let's see small-race Remco win something like Suisse first

 

[tomorrow]

Peter Sagan at the press conference before Tirreno-Adriatico:

“I got Covid for the second time in January. I had a training camp in Gran Canaria after and I started racing in France before Omloop Het Nieuwsblad. I got a little flu this week but it’s already passed. What I’ll be able to do in this race depends on my condition and I’m still looking for my good condition. The real season starts now.”

Let´s see if he can do some damage.

Well, him spicing things up in TA is something we got used to in the past. It would be very nice if he could get in the fight with the climbers again. But it would be a miracle if it happen. But fan could at least hope. Although giving it all and not riding in "workout/getting kms in a race" mode would be a good sign too. At least he doesn't play any mind games and states his condition where it actually is.

 

[Big Doopie]

Any start times on the stage and GC favorites?

posted on previous page.

 

[Boes]

Guys, relax, its all a bit of fun. That's partly why we love cycling, it's fun.

I started the Belgian Simon Spilak joke before the last Giro. Because Remco is a Belgian Simon spilak. Put him in Tour de Romandie or Tour de Suisse or Balise Belgium Tour and he could probably destroy even Pogacar or Roglic, just as Spilak could destroy froome or Contador. He can also easily win races like Paris Nice, Tirreno, Algarve etc. But not a grand tour.

I was slightly confused as to why Quickstep announced Remco as a leader of 2021 Giro, instead of Masnada. Fausto was a rider I considered greatly underrated. He accidentally got a GC top 10 at the Giro in 2020, and made froome and nibali consider retirement at the 2019 Tour of the Alpes. But sadly he was on the team with his royal highness the Prince of flanders, Remco 'Belgian Simon spilak' Evenepoel.

I'm sure Fausto would be great at tennis, because he has great endurance (as we saw in Lombardia when he destroyed roglic and alaphilippe) and a long reach. I'm not sure however that he could quite win Eurovision , although I've never heard him sing. He would have my vote.

I hope Fausto will finally get this year some results that match his talent, and I'm sure Remco will take many impressive victories and keep his fans happy. They have nothing to worry about.

Enjoy the racing.

If Masnada leaves QS, he'll be one of the guys in the long line of riders that became more succesfull after they left QS like Gaviria, Terpstra, Trentin, Viviani and such.
He's perfect where he is. Riding for Remco who's genuily more talented and perhaps, if he's lucky, win some races because his teammates protect his attack.

 

[stonerider]

Well, him spicing things up in TA is something we got used to in the past. It would be very nice if he could get in the fight with the climbers again. But it would be a miracle if it happen. But fan could at least hope. Although giving it all and not riding in "workout/getting kms in a race" mode would be a good sign too. At least he doesn't play any mind games and states his condition where it actually is.

I believe Sagan will have to race himself into shape to get better. I don't believe at this stage of his career he has the discipline to train hard enough to win...like someone named Wout who can show up from a training camp and light up a race.

 

[hayneplane]

If Masnada leaves QS, he'll be one of the guys in the long line of riders that became more succesfull after they left QS like Gaviria, Terpstra, Trentin, Viviani and such.
He's perfect where he is. Riding for Remco who's genuily more talented and perhaps, if he's lucky, win some races because his teammates protect his attack.

I think Trentin is the outlier on that list as he has shown a similar level of strength and results at UAE as he did with QS.

 

[Logic-is-your-friend]

Guys, relax, its all a bit of fun. That's partly why we love cycling, it's fun.

I started the Belgian Simon Spilak joke before the last Giro. Because Remco is a Belgian Simon spilak. Put him in Tour de Romandie or Tour de Suisse or Balise Belgium Tour and he could probably destroy even Pogacar or Roglic, just as Spilak could destroy froome or Contador. He can also easily win races like Paris Nice, Tirreno, Algarve etc. But not a grand tour.

I was slightly confused as to why Quickstep announced Remco as a leader of 2021 Giro, instead of Masnada. Fausto was a rider I considered greatly underrated. He accidentally got a GC top 10 at the Giro in 2020, and made froome and nibali consider retirement at the 2019 Tour of the Alpes. But sadly he was on the team with his royal highness the Prince of flanders, Remco 'Belgian Simon spilak' Evenepoel.

I'm sure Fausto would be great at tennis, because he has great endurance (as we saw in Lombardia when he destroyed roglic and alaphilippe) and a long reach. I'm not sure however that he could quite win Eurovision , although I've never heard him sing. He would have my vote.

I hope Fausto will finally get this year some results that match his talent, and I'm sure Remco will take many impressive victories and keep his fans happy. They have nothing to worry about.

Enjoy the racing.

Make sure to get your facts straight first. Quickstep took Evenepoel to the Giro to see how things would go and take it day by day. The reason why he got the #1 bib number, it was not asked by the team, it was given by the organization, likely because they thought it was more interesting from a commercial point of view considering he was their posterboy for the 2020 version where he could not participate due to his crash. Funnily enough, it was your boy Fausto who gave an interview in GdS saying Evenepoel was going to win the Giro. The reason the team started riding for Evenepoel in the Giro, was because Almeida had already lost 4-5 minutes in stage 4, while Evenepoel at that time was still ahead of Bernal in GC.

Also it is quite amazing that you were able to predict Evenepoel could not win a GT before ever having participated. I mean, we've had Roglic, Thomas, Froome, Wiggins... in recent history, riders who all excelled at TTing and came late into the GC/GT scene, yet you were able to predict a 21 would never be able to. I guess you're going into a stressful 10 year wait to be able to come back here to tell us you told us so.

All in good fun of course.

 

[Red Rick]

Evenepoel to win today

 

[Logic-is-your-friend]

Evenepoel to win today

Any reason in particular? I was a bit baffled by his Algarve ITT, but looking at his Strava ride, you can see that he took 41 of his 58 seconds on the climb. Which means he ''only'' took 17 seconds on Küng on the flat sections. Not sure that'd be enough to beat Ganna, but i think he has a chance.

 

[Big Doopie]

Evenepoel to win today

that would be good but I am not so sure.

there is ganna.

and a pan flat course.

but 10-15 seconds on Pog would seem about right.

then again Pog appears otherworldly atm so…

 

[tomorrow]

I believe Sagan will have to race himself into shape to get better. I don't believe at this stage of his career he has the discipline to train hard enough to win...like someone named Wout who can show up from a training camp and light up a race.

Perfectly said, he needs the race kms to be at competitive level. The only thing I disagree is, that the stage of his career has any impact. He always needed quite a lot of racing days. Actually what worked for him best was quite intense racing in january, then the altitude training and the the TA and the classics. Now, he's not been able to to the january races and the altitude training 2 years in a row.

 

[Red Rick]

Any reason in particular? I was a bit baffled by his Algarve ITT, but looking at his Strava ride, you can see that he took 41 of his 58 seconds on the climb. Which means he ''only'' took 17 seconds on Küng on the flat sections. Not sure that'd be enough to beat Ganna, but i think he has a chance.

Wasnt that impressed by Gannas ITT in UAE. I didnt look that deeply at the Algarve ITT, but I think Evenepoel is really good at the pan flat ones

 

[Logic-is-your-friend]

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[Logic-is-your-friend]

Going by the first splits and finish times, seconds part of the course is quicker. So wind is a factor.

 

[Logic-is-your-friend]

Ewan already 2m26s down on Dowsett