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If you read Tim Krabbe's classic book "the rider" you understand why smart and succesful businessman dope when cycling.

It's dreaming you are a pro... dope has a romantic secret aroma for these people.

And for the record, I assume hypocrisy here is thick. If you gave Cat 2-3 riders a wonderpill, non detectable and they could trash the competition with it many, many, many would use it.

It's another thing I see posted here which I disagree with. The notion that doping is triggered by monetary rewards. I know quite a few top sportsmen from many fields and none of them is primarily motivated by the money. They simply want to be the best.
 
Franklin said:
If you read Tim Krabbe's classic book "the rider" you understand why smart and succesful businessman dope when cycling.

It's dreaming you are a pro... dope has a romantic secret aroma for these people.

And for the record, I assume hypocrisy here is thick. If you gave Cat 2-3 riders a wonderpill, non detectable and they could trash the competition with it many, many, many would use it.

It's another thing I see posted here which I disagree with. The notion that doping is triggered by monetary rewards. I know quite a few top sportsmen from many fields and none of them is primarily motivated by the money. They simply want to be the best.
Don't get my posts wrong, I can understand the mentality of some (not all). I just still think it is idiotic and sad. Then again, having been around some triple type A business folks, I think some of them are (financially successful) idiots :D
 
May 27, 2012
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Juicy McDrip said:
I'm posting about complaining, whining losers.

Filled with excuses because they're intimidated and beaten by old crit specialists. Keep calling names, while Masters take your prize money in "Pro-am" crits. We'll let you play with each other in the hills. We don't have the time. And young bucks are much better there. Most times, anyway.

Or...get a "P" on your USAC and UCI licenses and ride Pro-Only races. Simple soution to anger about old crit guys beating you. Or are you not good enough?

The complainers aren't Pros. They are Pro-Am racers, or Neo-Pro at Best. They are forced to still race with Amateurs. Isaac Howe is an example.

Maybe we can call all these US racers "Pro", but let's call these complainers what they really are. Neo-Pros. At best.

Pros ride the Pro Tour. George Hincapie is an example.


Talk in another couple months when I finish the road season. Keep posting, Seacrest...you obviously spend many hours here!
I see riding has done little to facilitate your ability to communicate effectively and coherently.

Also, the intertubes are a great place to pretend to be someone you aren't. Hey, I'm Emperor of China!
 
Jul 4, 2009
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Ripper said:
EPO for a Gran Fondo? Wow, that's pretty idiotic!!
...while I agree with your sentiments I can't help but to compare them to a long running ad on the major US networks that recommended EPO to help a grand-dad put together an Ikea type bed for his grand-son....or the HGH ads found in magazines aimed at the elderly which among other things are pitched to help them get thru a day of puttering in the garden...

...bottom line....we are a drugged culture...we have drugs to get us to work better, to fight wars better, to sleep better, to get up better, to have sex better, to look younger, to feel happy etc etc...well, frankly everything....against this background our well intentioned out-cry against drugs is almost akin to handing out speeding tickets at the Indy 500...

...and yeah modern sporting activities should be pure...but look at the social, drug addled, win at all costs cess-pool it is a product of....and if there isn't a massive change in the society in which the sport is played there is not a hope in hell for pure sport...and frankly it is and will remain only be an idealized dream...well worth fighting for, but still a dream...

Cheers

blutto
 
May 26, 2010
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blutto said:
...while I agree with your sentiments I can't help but to compare them to a long running ad on the major US networks that recommended EPO to help a grand-dad put together an Ikea type bed for his grand-son....or the HGH ads found in magazines aimed at the elderly which among other things are pitched to help them get thru a day of puttering in the garden...

...bottom line....we are a drugged culture...we have drugs to get us to work better, to fight wars better, to sleep better, to get up better, to have sex better, to look younger, to feel happy etc etc...well, frankly everything....against this background our well intentioned out-cry against drugs is almost akin to handing out speeding tickets at the Indy 500...

...and yeah modern sporting activities should be pure...but look at the social, drug addled, win at all costs cess-pool it is a product of....and if there isn't a massive change in the society in which the sport is played there is not a hope in hell for pure sport...and frankly it is and will remain only be an idealized dream...well worth fighting for, but still a dream...

Cheers

blutto
We get the politicians we deserve and maybe the sports stars too :(
 
Jul 4, 2009
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ChewbaccaD said:
I see riding has done little to facilitate your ability to communicate effectively and coherently.

Also, the intertubes are a great place to pretend to be someone you aren't. Hey, I'm Emperor of China!
...ok you are kinda right about how the idea was not presented as well as it could have been but there is more than a kernel of truth there...so let let be try to translate thru my own experience as a Master racer going against real serious, fast as heck pro wannabes...

...when I got back in the racing scene as a Master I quickly realized that the old style I used was useless...old age took away a lot of my abilities ( which to be honest were mediocre, though a very high level of mediocre )...so to compete I had to adopt a new way of playing...no more Fabian style lunacy( tongue in cheek here)....I became the wheel sucker from hell and used the only tool I had left, a pretty good finishing kick(so in essence I became bluttodoosh:D...gee that has a nice ring to it, maybe a name change is order?...anyway, back to my riveting story... )....well things went very well, getting a top five was easy and heck, I even won some....

..and here is the nub of it... I succeeded because I was old and was perceived as much by the young stallions....they discounted me until it was too late...and then ( and I'm sure other Masters racer will know this ) they howl as if I'd stolen their last piece of candy....but I'd walk away from this with a huge smile on my face because the howling was in reality a product of the hubris of the howlers...they discounted me, and ( and that sound you hear is Masters riders laughing in agreement) now they had not only lost but they lost because, frankly, they were stupid....and their only recourse, short of admitting they were idiots, is to point fingers and whine, which is whole lot easier on the fragile egos involved....

....me, I laugh all the way home...

Cheers

blutto
 
Jun 19, 2009
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knewcleardaze said:
We are the medication nation.
read that: world. There's something for everyone and I for one work with a group of 50+year old guys relying on heart statins, digestive medications, etc. All because they won't restrain their dietary selections or exercise. It's the reason all medical help in this country is ridiculous.
 
Jul 7, 2009
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I don't recall where I learned this, but I do seem to remember that 90 % of what ails us is due to our diet, as in the Greek, true sense of the word, lifestyle.
 
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Franklin said:
And for the record, I assume hypocrisy here is thick.

If you gave Cat 2-3 riders a wonderpill, non detectable and they could trash the competition with it many, many, many would use it.
Some would argue that's already the case.

EPO is widely available, and honestly relatively safe at low levels. If you respond well to it like David Anthony, then it's crush-time at the local industrial park criterium. Or, go the Master's route and visit the anti-aging clinic where an MD will dope you safely. Either way many, many cyclists do not rush out and get it. And some do, not just cyclists either.

The broader point is a bike race is a kind of game and doping breaks the rules that makes the game. There's money to be made letting them break the rules, so why not?

Franklin said:
I know quite a few top sportsmen from many fields and none of them is primarily motivated by the money. They simply want to be the best.
No one is surprised.

USAC and the bike industry are ready and willing to take their money for over a decade now. If you go to individuals in these industries, every one of them would deny they are enabling doping. But... As a group, that is exactly what's happening. This attitude goes all the way down to the club/local level.

Meanwhile the people who have balanced lives that include competitive cycling do it for other reasons.
 
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blutto said:
...while I agree with your sentiments I can't help but to compare them to a long running ad on the major US networks that recommended EPO to help a grand-dad put together an Ikea type bed for his grand-son....or the HGH ads found in magazines aimed at the elderly which among other things are pitched to help them get thru a day of puttering in the garden...

...bottom line....we are a drugged culture...we have drugs to get us to work better, to fight wars better, to sleep better, to get up better, to have sex better, to look younger, to feel happy etc etc...well, frankly everything....against this background our well intentioned out-cry against drugs is almost akin to handing out speeding tickets at the Indy 500...

...and yeah modern sporting activities should be pure...but look at the social, drug addled, win at all costs cess-pool it is a product of....and if there isn't a massive change in the society in which the sport is played there is not a hope in hell for pure sport...and frankly it is and will remain only be an idealized dream...well worth fighting for, but still a dream...

Cheers

blutto
Benotti69 said:
We get the politicians we deserve and maybe the sports stars too :(
yes, we are a drugged culture (and I am one of its leading adherents, and no I have never raced but certainly can see some of the drugs I use affecting my riding substantially). The culture isn't going to be less so in the future, but perhaps much more drugged.

To Bennott69, truer words haven't been spoken anywhere on this forum in a while.
 
May 27, 2010
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Oldman said:
I needed a laugh today but this takes pointless self-evalulation to a new low. Does she sit in a dark room with a Strava banner on the wall?
And they say that there is no culture of doping in cycling...

Holy cow.

Dave.
 
Jun 19, 2009
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BroDeal said:
Ack! People are supposed to figure these things out for themselves.
It seemed unbelievable except...I have a Construction foreman on one of my projects that was taking steroids to get in shape for Seattle to Portland. He wanted to ride it in one day. Not a joke except it explains some other personality traits that have been alarming.
 
Mar 18, 2009
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BotanyBay said:
Riding these is unlicensed stuff, right? No USAC, etc. How did USADA have jurisdiction? So if I'm the owner of Rosario - Ensenada, I can arrange WADA testing and hold riders accountable?

Idiotic, yes. But how can you ban in an unsanctioned event?
The event organizer brought in the USADA. Aside from testing some of the winners, they also did a handful of out-of-competition tests. The OOC tests were unannounced. The in-competition tests were known about beforehand.

Cost of each test was about $700. Total cost to the event was $17K, which included some costs beyond the cost of the tests.

The organizer is posting on Slowtwitch.

It is funny that an event like this can have better testing than actual races. They had better testing than a stage of the Tour. They did have prizes worth a $100K.
 
Aug 9, 2010
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Elagabalus said:
hmmm ... the website says 303 but everyone seems a bit 404 if you know what I mean. Can you explain what exactly this guy is doing wrong? (other than the mullet)

http://303cycling.com/boulder-cyclists-acting-poorly#comment-9146

You can't pass cars on the descents in Boulder? Who made that rule?
Hey I live here...and this website is really quite a joke.
It does list some well known rides but there are unbelievably idiotic people who post comments...mostly drivel. :p
 
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BroDeal said:
The event organizer brought in the USADA. Aside from testing some of the winners, they also did a handful of out-of-competition tests. The OOC tests were unannounced. The in-competition tests were known about beforehand.

Cost of each test was about $700. Total cost to the event was $17K, which included some costs beyond the cost of the tests.

The organizer is posting on Slowtwitch.

It is funny that an event like this can have better testing than actual races. They had better testing than a stage of the Tour. They did have prizes worth a $100K.
Are both riders "licensed"? Must one be licensed to be subject to USADA?
 

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