Todays idiot masters fattie doper

[Dear Wiggo]

Probably older than you, and agree, I can see the temptation to slip a few quickies in to drop some pounds and if you rack up some aero goodness into the bargain, well, all the better.

But my personality type prefers the struggle, to test myself and best myself. And in all honesty, if you train properly, and eat properly, and take the time to recover, you can keep going. See it time and again, reaching previous bests or bettering them. Much satisfaction. Success is not a destination per se, but the journey of getting to a goal, and getting back up again, each time you are knocked down or struggle.

 

[babastooey]

Other than the glory of coming in first, what on earth posesses an amateur to dope? There are no pro team managers or doctors or owners bringing down a hailstorm of pressure, no results needed to grab that next contract, etc.

The psychology of an amateur doping is different than a pro, and seems even more obnoxious.

 

[D-Queued]

Anyone find it strange that masters racers who get their entry fee back and some tyres for sponsorship are prepared to dope, but the pros, who can sometimes land very fat contracts, from 40-4000 k $, euros, pounds, etc have now all stopped doping?

That the clean era is present in the pros but not within the amateurs?

Seems counter-intuitive to me.

This is the difference between amateur and professional. The professionals act professional. Not like the bozo masters playing the fool in amateur hour.

Get it?



Dave.

Edit to add: Lame f'ing **** hole! I hate guys like this. And there are plenty more.

 

[MarkvW]

Other than the glory of coming in first, what on earth posesses an amateur to dope? There are no pro team managers or doctors or owners bringing down a hailstorm of pressure, no results needed to grab that next contract, etc.

The psychology of an amateur doping is different than a pro, and seems even more obnoxious.

It's fun to ride your bike faster than somebody else. Maybe it's as simple as that.

 

[jam pants]

It's all good, folks. He only just started doping due to a decline in performance due to age, and his doctor was just helping combat the course of time.

So he didn't dope at 50, 55, or 60, but by age 61 felt that he needed something to bump him back to the top.

What a load. Dude's been on some old-school juice for some time.

Oh, and bike racing isn't important anyway. Life and friends, etc.

http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/masters-racer-leduc-admits-to-doping

 

[BroDeal]

It's all good, folks. He only just started doping due to a decline in performance due to age, and his doctor was just helping combat the course of time.

So he didn't dope at 50, 55, or 60, but by age 61 felt that he needed something to bump him back to the top.

What a load. Dude's been on some old-school juice for some time.

Oh, and bike racing isn't important anyway. Life and friends, etc.

http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/masters-racer-leduc-admits-to-doping

The source article must have been written by a friend of LaDoosh. It casts him in a good light. One interesting part of it is his explanation for why he tested positive for testosterone. The journalist portrays it like LaDoosh thought the drug would be out of his system so he was not trying to cheat, but LaDoosh's statements make it clear that he thought his T:TE ratio would be within limits and he was very surprised a CIR test was used to find artificial T.

He also claims a "friend" gave him a small supply of EPO that, apparently, he just used prior to nationals.

With three different drugs in his system, it makes me wonder why he was not hit with a four year ban.

 

[gillan1969]

It's fun to ride your bike faster than somebody else. Maybe it's as simple as that.

not really...it's fun to be faster then somebody else....

 

[Wallace and Gromit]

not really...it's fun to be faster then somebody else....

And how can you be faster on a bike without riding said bike faster?

 

[SundayRider]

This sort of thing disgusts me. With pros who get caught up in the system, pressure for results, the roof over their head dependant on bike racing then yeah I can sort of understand that situation. However this sort of thing is simply ego.

 

[gillan1969]

And how can you be faster on a bike without riding said bike faster?

if you are taking a PED such as epo...its not really you that is faster...its the PEDS what done it.....not sure I would take any gratification in being faster than someone whilst on epo...not sure how you can..

...rather you just take the 'money'...

 

[Wallace and Gromit]

if you are taking a PED such as epo...its not really you that is faster...its the PEDS what done it.....not sure I would take any gratification in being faster than someone whilst on epo...not sure how you can..

I think folk just want to be faster, tbh. Buying better kit is one way to do it, and nigh on everyone does that, even if it's just better socks to keep their feet warm so they can pedal harder for longer.

If improving one's own capabilities was what appealed to the masses then the over 40s scene would still be riding their 1980s 531 framed beauties competitively.

I take your point though. In my former life as a rower, I did a lot of training and competitions on rowing machines. All competitions and the vast majority of gyms had the same type of machines, which were identically calibrated, so the only way to go faster was to apply more power to the handle. There was indeed a profound satisfaction in going faster then before as you knew it was because you had got better personally. I'm sure if someone had invented a "go faster" seat then people would have tried it though!

Some folk doctor their Strava files apparently, so desperate are they to achieve top spot in the rankings, against which doping seems positively credit-worthy, as at least a doped rider still has to train and turn the pedals!

 

[Fatclimber]

It's all good, folks. He only just started doping due to a decline in performance due to age, and his doctor was just helping combat the course of time.

So he didn't dope at 50, 55, or 60, but by age 61 felt that he needed something to bump him back to the top.

What a load. Dude's been on some old-school juice for some time.

Oh, and bike racing isn't important anyway. Life and friends, etc.

http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/masters-racer-leduc-admits-to-doping

Wow. Seeing that picture of him racing next to what looks like a 16 year old and knowing he's a doper makes me feel embarrassed for the guy somehow. That's great that he has people to support him in the aftermath of his screwup but it isn't any less disgusting or pathetic. Life ban these jokers for crying out loud. People that are out there for some good, clean, honest competition shouldn't be subjected to that nonsense.

 

[ultimobici]

One can't help wondering why when three separate substances which are explained by three separate reasons aren't treated as three strikes, warranting an immediate life ban. Or am I being too draconian?

 

[BroDeal]

62-year-old cheat and renowned general dooshbag salves his low self-esteem by taking drugs to beat up on a 14 year old.

 

[Dazed and Confused]

Absurd situation.

If the clown comes back after the ban, I hope a large group will tell him to fucc off at the races.

 

[DirtyWorks]

One can't help wondering why when three separate substances which are explained by three separate reasons aren't treated as three strikes, warranting an immediate life ban. Or am I being too draconian?

It's not how the rules are set up.

The IOC/sports federations minimize the risk of having long sanctions for the sport's main draws should some kind of cumulative positive leak. Just one of many ways the sports under WADA protect their main draws even with some kind of anti-doping violation.

USA Cycling should push for the lifetime ban in this case. But they are doping friendly at the very top, so this dude and others like him gets to ride again.

 

[BroDeal]

One can't help wondering why when three separate substances which are explained by three separate reasons aren't treated as three strikes, warranting an immediate life ban. Or am I being too draconian?

The rules require a second offense to come after notification of the first. Multiple substances are an aggravating circumstance, which is why above I wondered why he was not hit with a four year ban, especially since it is obvious he has been at this a long time.

 

[ChewbaccaD]

I think folk just want to be faster, tbh. Buying better kit is one way to do it, and nigh on everyone does that, even if it's just better socks to keep their feet warm so they can pedal harder for longer.

If improving one's own capabilities was what appealed to the masses then the over 40s scene would still be riding their 1980s 531 framed beauties competitively.

I take your point though. In my former life as a rower, I did a lot of training and competitions on rowing machines. All competitions and the vast majority of gyms had the same type of machines, which were identically calibrated, so the only way to go faster was to apply more power to the handle. There was indeed a profound satisfaction in going faster then before as you knew it was because you had got better personally. I'm sure if someone had invented a "go faster" seat then people would have tried it though!

Some folk doctor their Strava files apparently, so desperate are they to achieve top spot in the rankings, against which doping seems positively credit-worthy, as at least a doped rider still has to train and turn the pedals!

You folks are about two levels above the real reason for the use of doping products. There is a psychological need that you guys don't appear to get. These people aren't winning to test themselves against themselves. That's Pollyannish ca ca.

 

[blackcat]

You folks are about two levels above the real reason for the use of doping products. There is a psychological need that you guys don't appear to get. These people aren't winning to test themselves against themselves. That's Pollyannish ca ca.

the external locus of control wrt winning.

but as devil's advocate, ever felt a pure "in the flow" shot in basketball, a 3 pointer, or in golf on a par three, and time slows down, and you know it was a money shot.

But the psycho-emotional pay-off, when the ball swishes thru the net, or rolls within 10 feet of the hole

 

[ChewbaccaD]

the external locus of control wrt winning.

but as devil's advocate, ever felt a pure "in the flow" shot in basketball, a 3 pointer, or in golf on a par three, and time slows down, and you know it was a money shot.

But the psycho-emotional pay-off, when the ball swishes thru the net, or rolls within 10 feet of the hole

The satisfaction of making the perfect shot, and the motivation for doping to rack up wins at the local Wednesday night training race are two different things. And there may be isolated instances of PED use to test oneself against oneself, but by-in-large the compulsion is centered in an unhealthy need for validation based on comparison to others. It isn't, as MarkvW says, to ride faster than another because it's "fun." It is much more pathological than that.

This difference is where sticking a needle in your arm that contains EPO, and sticking a needle in your arm that contains heroin diverge.

 

[Pies&Booze]

Absurd situation.

If the clown comes back after the ban, I hope a large group will tell him to fucc off at the races.

I would hope so too. "Oi LeFuc, why don't you duck off you clown".

 

[Fatclimber]

62-year-old cheat and renowned general dooshbag salves his low self-esteem by taking drugs to beat up on a 14 year old.

Perfect poster for an antidoping campaign. (Or maybe an anti aging clinic).

Shameful.

 

[Maxiton]

62-year-old cheat and renowned general dooshbag salves his low self-esteem by taking drugs to beat up on a 14 year old.

Wow, looks like he really destroyed that 14 year old. No gifts. The Lance Armstrong of amateur racing.

I hope they target him for out of competition testing so that he gets the lifetime ban he so obviously deserves. (Though I know they won't.)

Seriously, I think the sanctions for amateur racing should be changed. For amateurs, it should be a requirement that during your ban you undergo intensive psychological therapy. Absent the therapy, no return.

 

[ralphbert]

Holy moly, is that a peak on his helmet. Lol, as I mentioned on Twitter, no point going fast while looking like a ****. I love dopers, forfils my need to sociopathically make fun of people guilt free.

 

[Le breton]

62-year-old cheat and renowned general dooshbag salves his low self-esteem by taking drugs to beat up on a 14 year old.

Outstanding contribution to the topic BroDeal

Thanks