Todays idiot masters fattie doper

[fatandfast]

I think I figured out why he tested positive--> Contact high

Horner and Meeker have been friends for many years. Horner used to have long flowing hair( aka Hippie) and the two of them along with Trent Klasna used to light up some of the office parks crits( SD area) that were mentioned in other posts. Meeker has always been a smooth racer and gets himself in place at crunch time and has always had lots of speed throughout the years. I don't know if he doped but I do know he has always been a nice guy win or lose. In another comment posted here the proximity to TJ and available drugs right over the border is a fact that should be considered for those that know S.Cal. The 3rd world bordering a first world cycling hot spots like LA and San Diego may have been too much for a 51 year old hobbyist. I hope he didn't do it but the facts so far look bad.Richard was always a stand out at Sorrento Valley I wonder if he beat me because he was on full gas...

 

[dolophonic]

Horner and Meeker have been friends for many years. Horner used to have long flowing hair( aka Hippie) and the two of them along with Trent Klasna used to light up some of the office parks crits( SD area) that were mentioned in other posts. Meeker has always been a smooth racer and gets himself in place at crunch time and has always had lots of speed throughout the years. I don't know if he doped but I do know he has always been a nice guy win or lose. In another comment posted here the proximity to TJ and available drugs right over the border is a fact that should be considered for those that know S.Cal. The 3rd world bordering a first world cycling hot spots like LA and San Diego may have been too much for a 51 year old hobbyist. I hope he didn't do it but the facts so far look bad.Richard was always a stand out at Sorrento Valley I wonder if he beat me because he was on full gas...

What do you mean if ? .... he has been found guilty. He is not alone.

 

[fatandfast]

What do you mean if ? .... he has been found guilty. He is not alone.

I am sorry. I forgot that from the UCI on down there has been a complete do over. The guys that didn't catch Lance or a half dozen guys I know are all gone. My bad. Meeker is toast because some existing cycle fed clown says he doped. Meeker has national results, he has been getting results for 20 years. He may be bad but the system is worse. 1 post says they checked into dope testing and found it was out of the budget, that says it all, not that one old guy got caught. People dope yesterday and today because there is lots of hype but no real universal sysyem in place to handle it. Found guilty by who?Bike racing federations the world over know that testing is not in the budget for most races, all the outrage is a gag. Manditory testing will put them out of business.fact.*wait and see what entry fees look like for a Cat 1,2,3 crit with testing*pie in the sky. Have you ever seen what the registration table looks like at a Belgian race? I won't say never but I don't see wide spread doping controls any time soon.

 

[D-Queued]

I am sorry. I forgot that from the UCI on down there has been a complete do over. The guys that didn't catch Lance or a half dozen guys I know are all gone. My bad. Meeker is toast because some existing cycle fed clown says he doped. Meeker has national results, he has been getting results for 20 years. He may be bad but the system is worse. 1 post says they checked into dope testing and found it was out of the budget, that says it all, not that one old guy got caught. People dope yesterday and today because there is lots of hype but no real universal sysyem in place to handle it. Found guilty by who?Bike racing federations the world over know that testing is not in the budget for most races, all the outrage is a gag. Manditory testing will put them out of business.fact.*wait and see what entry fees look like for a Cat 1,2,3 crit with testing*pie in the sky. Have you ever seen what the registration table looks like at a Belgian race? I won't say never but I don't see wide spread doping controls any time soon.

No, but what Meeker underscores confirms my observations that of others that widespread doping is in place within US masters ranks.

And, it has been for quite some time.

Dave.

 

[DirtyWorks]

I am sorry. I forgot that from the UCI on down there has been a complete do over. The guys that didn't catch Lance or a half dozen guys I know are all gone. My bad.

Not true. Wiesel still runs USAC, Mike Plant just got a promotion at the UCI. Lots of stuff hasn't changed a bit and the IOC looks like they are setting up for weaker anti-doping too.

Meeker is toast because some existing cycle fed clown says he doped.

Also not true. He tested positive at Nationals using the standards/processes developed by WADA and implemented in the U.S. by USADA.

Yes, the federation can not process positives, but that didn't happen this time for reasons we don't know.

Meeker has national results, he has been getting results for 20 years. He may be bad but the system is worse.

I agree, but it's important to remember he failed his first and only test in an epic way and that there have been podium positives every year for a couple of years now.

My point being, it's a little, tiny bit better. I agree with you too, long way to go yet.

no real universal sysyem in place to handle it.

That's because no country will give up their sovereignty for anything, not even the IOC. Which is the point of having National Anti-Doping Organizations. Each country implements the WADA standards to the in-country laws.

Manditory testing will put them out of business.fact.*wait and see what entry fees look like for a Cat 1,2,3 crit with testing*pie in the sky.

Mmm yes, a million dollars of bike gear on the line at those events and a few dollars added to entry fees will simply *destroy* Master's racing.

 

[Granville57]

Yay! I get to bump the dooshbag Hall of Fame thread!

http://www.usada.org/media/sanction-leduc123013

David LeDuc, 62, tested positive for the presence of a steroid of exogenous origin, recombinant human erythropoietin (“rhEPO”) and amphetamine, a prohibited stimulant, as the result of an in-competition urine sample collected on September 6, 2013 at the Masters Road National Championships in Bend, Ore.

How I hate this sport. Let me count the ways...

 

[DirtyWorks]

Yay! I get to bump the dooshbag Hall of Fame thread!

http://www.usada.org/media/sanction-leduc123013

David LeDuc, 62, tested positive for the presence of a steroid of exogenous origin, recombinant human erythropoietin (“rhEPO”) and amphetamine, a prohibited stimulant, as the result of an in-competition urine sample collected on September 6, 2013 at the Masters Road National Championships in Bend, Ore.

How I hate this sport. Let me count the ways...

Wow. Injecting EPO and steroids like it's 1990-something. Impressive!

It seems like Meeker and this joker were both doping at Nationals. So, probability there are more dopers near the podium across age groups is very, very high. Seems like a good reason to never go to Nationals.

 

[nslckevin]

Wow. Injecting EPO and steroids like it's 1990-something. Impressive!

It seems like Meeker and this joker were both doping at Nationals. So, probability there are more dopers near the podium across age groups is very, very high. Seems like a good reason to never go to Nationals.

Yeah, just quit the sport and let the ****** bags win. Roll over and give up. Nice. You realize that any guys who are doped up at nationals are also doped up at your local crit or road race. Should we give up on those races and just do Gran Fondo's? Oh wait... Doping there too. In conclusion, we should probably only ride on the trainer in our garage to avoid having to race against or ride with dopers.

Or, you can say, **** THEM and go anyway. Do your best and not worry if the guy who beat you was on the juice. It is after all, only master's racing. It's not like they are taking money out of your pocket and getting the big contract over you because they doped.

Dopers can be beat, it doesn't make them invincible.

 

[Oldman]

Wow. Injecting EPO and steroids like it's 1990-something. Impressive!

It seems like Meeker and this joker were both doping at Nationals. So, probability there are more dopers near the podium across age groups is very, very high. Seems like a good reason to never go to Nationals.

Out here in the West we had many meetings with Meeker and his friends.
Leduc is a whole different example. His abuse has gone on for some time according to East Coast riders. I've had to ride against him, Steve Johnson (yes, that tool) and an army of Weisel's minions at various Masters Natz. I was able to bridge and deal with several of them but not a whole team like the Postal Masters would bring.
I'm happy to be done with USAC Nationals and satisfied with the results I against them.

 

[BroDeal]

Yeah, just quit the sport and let the ****** bags win. Roll over and give up. Nice. You realize that any guys who are doped up at nationals are also doped up at your local crit or road race. Should we give up on those races and just do Gran Fondo's? Oh wait... Doping there too. In conclusion, we should probably only ride on the trainer in our garage to avoid having to race against or ride with dopers.

Or, you can say, **** THEM and go anyway. Do your best and not worry if the guy who beat you was on the juice. It is after all, only master's racing. It's not like they are taking money out of your pocket and getting the big contract over you because they doped.

Dopers can be beat, it doesn't make them invincible.

This sort of attitude is a lot easier to hold when when you are a national-level talent who can remain competitive despite racing clean. The rest of us get the sh!t kicked out of us and it is not fun.

 

[Dear Wiggo]

I'm with nslckevin on this one. If you're racing then you just go as hard as you can. I've done some poor times on climbs and poor results in races, but if you PB any duration of time power-wise from 20 seconds up, it's a good day.

I get a kick out of training, so I am going to race no problem, regardless of the potential dopers out there.

Conquer yourself first, then worry about the others.

 

[Bertie]

The penalties are crap. A decent sanction for such clearly horrendous abuse would be to have your results nullified for the past ten years. Nailing this guy is good, (I particularly like the fact that they tested him in 7th place because it suggests that he was known and targeted) but what about the poor guys who have been coming 2nd to him at big races for years and years. On the east coast I hear stories of him win m45, then m35, then p12 all in a days work.

 

[proffate]

Out here in the West we had many meetings with Meeker and his friends.
Leduc is a whole different example. His abuse has gone on for some time according to East Coast riders. I've had to ride against him, Steve Johnson (yes, that tool) and an army of Weisel's minions at various Masters Natz. I was able to bridge and deal with several of them but not a whole team like the Postal Masters would bring.
I'm happy to be done with USAC Nationals and satisfied with the results I against them.

How is that different from Meeker again?

 

[proffate]

The penalties are crap. A decent sanction for such clearly horrendous abuse would be to have your results nullified for the past ten years. Nailing this guy is good, (I particularly like the fact that they tested him in 7th place because it suggests that he was known and targeted) but what about the poor guys who have been coming 2nd to him at big races for years and years. On the east coast I hear stories of him win m45, then m35, then p12 all in a days work.

what are you talking about? A quick search of his USAC results page reveals LeDuc is a 62 year old cat 3.

 

[kielbasa]

Duck hunting is looking more and more like a real man's sport.

 

[blutto]

Duck hunting is looking more and more like a real man's sport.

....define real.............

Cheers

 

[blutto]

Duck hunting is looking more and more like a real man's sport.

.......define real................

Cheers

 

[stickyjumper]

what are you talking about? A quick search of his USAC results page reveals LeDuc is a 62 year old cat 3.

He recently downgraded to a 3.

 

[gobuck]

I was racing against Leduc at the old Killington Stage race back in 2000. I was away by myself coming into the finish of the Brandon Gap stage. I was cramping big time when I looked back I see this guy in blue coming up to me like he is on a motorcycle. He went by me like I was standing still. I pretty much was standing still because I had run out of gas 1/8th of a mile from the finish. I struggled in about 5 seconds behind Leduc, followed by my teammates. He had dropped them from a small break. We started the crit with the doper in 1st, and my team had 4 in the top 10 places. We tag teamed him until we got our guy away. We finished the day with Leduc in first but we had 2-5 and all within 10 seconds. The last stage we attacked him until he couldn't cover us. He was screaming at his teammate, Randy Parker, to pull harder. When Randy couldn't pull anymore, he started yelling at the rest of us. We beat him thru teamwork and took 1, 3rd, 4th, and 5th. We couldn't beat a doper without the help of the Masters 40+ field.
Most of us thought he was doping because he looked so young. Go figure.

 

[MarkvW]

He recently downgraded to a 3.

You must have done a slightly longer search.

 

[gobuck]

I guess I won the Brandon Gap stage at Killington in 2000. F U Leduc!!!!
How many other people did this tool steal from?

 

[DirtyWorks]

This sort of attitude is a lot easier to hold when when you are a national-level talent who can remain competitive despite racing clean. The rest of us get the sh!t kicked out of us and it is not fun.

Oldman, this is where I'm coming from. If you've got the legs already, then I can see it being achievable. I'm about average, so no fun for me.

 

[Oldman]

Oldman, this is where I'm coming from. If you've got the legs already, then I can see it being achievable. I'm about average, so no fun for me.

DW-Bro said this, not me. I've had the legs but really can't take the amateur sport seriously anymore. If it's not dopers, it's over-coached/over-achievers that can't handle their bikes. There are people who can race a bike and then there are those that know how to race their bike. You don't have to own a WC or National jersey to fall into the second category and I think you probably know how to race.

 

[Dear Wiggo]

DW-Bro said this, not me. I've had the legs but really can't take the amateur sport seriously anymore. If it's not dopers, it's over-coached/over-achievers that can't handle their bikes. There are people who can race a bike and then there are those that know how to race their bike. You don't have to own a WC or National jersey to fall into the second category and I think you probably know how to race.

Anyone find it strange that masters racers who get their entry fee back and some tyres for sponsorship are prepared to dope, but the pros, who can sometimes land very fat contracts, from 40-4000 k $, euros, pounds, etc have now all stopped doping?

That the clean era is present in the pros but not within the amateurs?

Seems counter-intuitive to me.

 

[Cloxxki]

Anyone find it strange that masters racers who get their entry fee back and some tyres for sponsorship are prepared to dope, but the pros, who can sometimes land very fat contracts, from 40-4000 k $, euros, pounds, etc have now all stopped doping?

That the clean era is present in the pros but not within the amateurs?

Seems counter-intuitive to me.

I'm a young master, and hitting a really tough patch physically the past few years. Can't get the extra padding off, legs are fragile (track running now).
I was clueless as to the extent of doping when I was an amateur racer. I did fine, but in retrospect, I was doing stellar. For the amount of hours (work 50, training 10), no backup, no masseuse ever, bringing my own bottles in the race, etc. 506W, queeky clean, in the off-season. When serious blood doping can add up and over 30% extra red blood cells in the stream...

About this rough patch, I can now see how one can be tempted to dope even when there is no realistic objective to compete according to set goals. I want to run a 400m in 52, and my gut tells my I'll have that in me for another decade to come. The limbs and lungs think otherwise. Depressing to never do any training volume due to injury. In that respect, being a bike racer is easier.

I never doped and never will (I am open about trying legal supplements), but I am seeing how easy it is to fall for the dark side, more and more every day.