Todays idiot masters fattie doper

[Oldman]

Wow, looks like he really destroyed that 14 year old. No gifts. The Lance Armstrong of amateur racing.

I hope they target him for out of competition testing so that he gets the lifetime ban he so obviously deserves. (Though I know they won't.)

Seriously, I think the sanctions for amateur racing should be changed. For amateurs, it should be a requirement that during your ban you undergo intensive psychological therapy. Absent the therapy, no return.

This picture sums up the guy's character completely. Anyone that's raced and won as much as he has should be leading the youngster out; not being the tool he obviously is. Ban him for that alone.

 

[ChewbaccaD]

Holy moly, is that a peak on his helmet. Lol, as I mentioned on Twitter, no point going fast while looking like a ****. I love dopers, forfils my need to sociopathically make fun of people guilt free.

We speak the same language.

 

[Berzin]

The satisfaction of making the perfect shot, and the motivation for doping to rack up wins at the local Wednesday night training race are two different things. And there may be isolated instances of PED use to test oneself against oneself, but by-in-large the compulsion is centered in an unhealthy need for validation based on comparison to others.

It isn't, as MarkvW says, to ride faster than another because it's "fun." It is much more pathological than that.

I'm wondering how you would know that this is true for every instance that an amateur dopes to race or ride with their respective chain gang.

You have no idea what drives the average person to do what they do. Everyone lives in their own private world where not every motivation is divulged. And sometimes nice guys do bad things, but not necessarily for bad reasons. The reasons may be pathetic to you, but think on this for a second and maybe you'll see the larger point I'm trying to make.

I would say part of it is exactly what MarkvW stated. Sometimes it IS about the sensation of being able to go fast. There are plenty of riders who pound themselves into the ground and see no results year after because they have no talent, yet refuse to tone down their ambitions and resort to doping because they feel they've committed too much time and energy to the sport not to at least do well in a couple of races here and there.

Maybe it's just human nature, even amongst the best of us, to cheat when we know we can gain an advantage and not get caught. This is the cesspool amateur cycling finds itself in. I've been saying for years how totally ridiculous it is when the master's category is the fastest out of all the other races, and for years I've been shouted down.

Bottom line is, white urban professionals aren't at the top of the genetic gene pool in terms of athletic talent in any sport. Yet they find this fountain of youth in cycling, and the older they get the faster they go.

The reasons why should be obvious by now.

 

[ChewbaccaD]

I'm wondering how you would know that this is true for every instance that an amateur dopes to race or ride with their respective chain gang.

You have no idea what drives the average person to do what they do. Everyone lives in their own private world where not every motivation is divulged. And sometimes nice guys do bad things, but not necessarily for bad reasons. The reasons may be pathetic to you, but think on this for a second and maybe you'll see the larger point I'm trying to make.

I would say part of it is exactly what MarkvW stated. Sometimes it IS about the sensation of being able to go fast. There are plenty of riders who pound themselves into the ground and see no results year after because they have no talent, yet refuse to tone down their ambitions and resort to doping because they feel they've committed too much time and energy to the sport not to at least do well in a couple of races here and there.

Maybe it's just human nature, even amongst the best of us, to cheat when we know we can gain an advantage and not get caught. This is the cesspool amateur cycling finds itself in the US. I've been saying for years how totally ridiculous it is when the master's category is the fastest out of all the other races, and for years I've been shouted down.

Bottom line is, white urban professionals aren't at the top of the genetic gene pool in terms of athletic talent, in any sport. Yet they find this fountain of youth in cycling, and the older they get the faster they go.

The reasons why should be obvious to all.

You need to read my statement more carefully because I didn't include people who don't dope. Past that, spying the motivation for someone like the riders we are discussing is not terribly difficult. If you want to believe in cupcakes and rainbows, be my guest, but I know better.

If you believe that people take a needle and inject themselves with substances that are not prescribed by a doctor for reasons that don't involve unhealthy pathological needs, you're a fool.

 

[ChewbaccaD]

And let me be clear, there is nothing pathological or unhealthy with a sense of competition, or seeking to perfect an endeavor, or seeking the sensation of speed. All of that can be done with a mentally healthy approach, and sometimes it isn't. But to suggest that someone goes outside of the stated rules, and does so in a way that introduces substances into their bodies the both know are prohibited, and many times are not prescribed by a doctor (EPO isn't legitimately prescribed to cyclists looking to get an edge, and even in the case of test, which is prescribed by doctors, it is used by people who know it is prohibited), and many times do have serious health risks is done for some legitimate, healthy reason is just bizarre. I'm not even sure how to address something so absurd other than to say that you have the right to be wrong.

 

[Puckfiend]

62-year-old cheat and renowned general dooshbag salves his low self-esteem by taking drugs to beat up on a 14 year old.

It's called "leveling the playing field". That punk kid is absolutely swarming with hormones and natural HGH!

 

[blackcat]

It isn't, as MarkvW says, to ride faster than another because it's "fun." It is much more pathological than that.

This difference is where sticking a needle in your arm that contains EPO, and sticking a needle in your arm that contains heroin diverge.

both will cause you to lose weight. that is where they intersect

 

[blackcat]

are these the guys that buy 15k carbon Parlees?

62-year-old cheat and renowned general dooshbag salves his low self-esteem by taking drugs to beat up on a 14 year old.

 

[Dear Wiggo]

People ragging the vet for dissing the junior, but does anyone have info on the race in the pic? Could be they are racing 2 different races, like they do here, running multiple grades on a crit course simultaneously?

 

[Maxiton]

This picture sums up the guy's character completely. Anyone that's raced and won as much as he has should be leading the youngster out; not being the tool he obviously is. Ban him for that alone.

Yep.

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[Le breton]

People ragging the vet for dissing the junior, but does anyone have info on the race in the pic? Could be they are racing 2 different races, like they do here, running multiple grades on a crit course simultaneously?

The answer might be on "weldonweaver.com + leduc"
north carolina cup 2010?

 

[Fatclimber]

People ragging the vet for dissing the junior, but does anyone have info on the race in the pic? Could be they are racing 2 different races, like they do here, running multiple grades on a crit course simultaneously?

Context doesn't matter much to me. Maybe the old doper is encouraging the youngster to get on his wheel so he can pull him away from the broom wagon. It's more symbolic than anything. The fact that he's a doper only makes him look like more of a pathetic d*ck being in the same frame as the youngster.

I'm glad to see CN giving an honorable mention to these amateur dopers.

 

[thehog]

People ragging the vet for dissing the junior, but does anyone have info on the race in the pic? Could be they are racing 2 different races, like they do here, running multiple grades on a crit course simultaneously?

Look at the kids bike. Deep rim Zipps. WTF!?

I rode with trainers and a hand-me-down bike till I was 18.

 

[red_flanders]

A buddy of my Dad's raced against this guy in N.C. He was destroying everyone. Let's just say my Dad's buddy isn't shedding any tears.

 

[Dear Wiggo]

The answer might be on "weldonweaver.com + leduc"
north carolina cup 2010?

Thanks!

David LeDuc came 6th in Pro, 1, 2 men: http://www.carolinacup.com/results_2010.htm

Can't track the kid's name down, but he's either racing Junior 15-18 or Pro, 1, 2 men, in either case, the whole "meany is picking on the kid" thing is kinda weak.

 

[Wallace and Gromit]

Thanks!

David LeDuc came 6th in Pro, 1, 2 men: http://www.carolinacup.com/results_2010.htm

Can't track the kid's name down, but he's either racing Junior 15-18 or Pro, 1, 2 men, in either case, the whole "meany is picking on the kid" thing is kinda weak.

I'm not supporting our old doping friend here, but having been beaten by three lads in an end of season hill-climb with a combined age less than mine, I am all in favour of the old guys dishing it out to the youngsters whenever the chance arises.

Velominati rule 70 applies at all times - The purpose of competing is to win. End of.

To be honest, anyone posting that they expect anything different to apply in a race is either taking the p*ss or mistaking this for a basket-weaving forum.

The lad in the photo will benefit from the experience. He'll either be so traumatised that he'll give up cycling to pursue beer and women - honourable past-times both - or he will draw on the memory to fuel greater endeavours in future in training and racing.

 

[RobbieCanuck]

Misplaced Logic

Velominati rule 70 applies at all times - The purpose of competing is to win. End of.

This is just crap. The purpose of competing at the amateur level is to challenge yourself in an attempt to win. The vast majority of people who enter Masters races do not expect to win nor are they motivated to enter races to win. They simply want to see how they stack up against other fit people AND to enjoy the camaraderie. Some are sufficiently talented that they compete to win. But the narcissists who need to win and therefore dope have no place in cycling.

To suggest the purpose of competing is just to win is a sad indictment of a perverse mentality that fails to understand the human condition or the human spirit

 

[Dear Wiggo]

The lad in the photo will benefit from the experience. He'll either be so traumatised that he'll give up cycling to pursue beer and women - honourable past-times both - or he will draw on the memory to fuel greater endeavours in future in training and racing.

Or have compltely forgotten the race that happened 3 years ago.

 

[Dear Wiggo]

To suggest the purpose of competing is just to win is a sad indictment of a perverse mentality that fails to understand the human condition or the human spirit

Not having a sense or humour is worse.

 

[Wallace and Gromit]

This is just crap...

The vast majority of people who enter Masters races do not expect to win...

Two points here...

Firstly, you dismiss the teachings of the Velominati at your peril. I would expect multiple punctures on your next ride at the very least!

Secondly, in any race, as you approach the finish line, the chances are you will be neck and neck with at least one other rider. I put it to you that in these circumstances, pretty much everyone (unless riding as part of a genuine team) will try and beat those other riders over the line. This might secure top spot on the podium, simply avoid coming last or just bag a finishing position in the top x% (where x is less than previously bagged) but ultimately, one will try to beat as many people as possible.

The corrollary to Rule 70 is "Sometimes the manner of defeat is the victory itself", so even the Velominati have some allowance for your defeatist talk.

Either way, the old guy did the youngster a favour. There's enough saddos out there who feel they have to win to make the scenario of someone being gifted an amateur race by a rival a highly unlikely scenario, and this is a lesson best learnt sooner rather than later.

 

[Wallace and Gromit]

Or have compltely forgotten the race that happened 3 years ago.

True. But if he was as bothered as some here purport to be, then he will remember it well!

 

[Le breton]

..............
give up cycling to pursue beer and women - honourable past-times both - .

Let me commiserate with you dear Wallace and/or Gromit, I definitely noticed that you really meant past-times rather than merely pastimes

 

[Wallace and Gromit]

Let me commiserate with you dear Wallace and/or Gromit, I definitely noticed that you really meant past-times rather than merely pastimes

That is superb! Thank you.

It's hard to spell correctly when made of plasticine!

You remind me of the old joke about the "Three ages of man": tri-weekly, try weekly and try weakly.

 

[Le breton]

That is superb! Thank you.

It's hard to spell correctly when made of plasticine!

You remind me of the old joke about the "Three ages of man": tri-weekly, try weekly and try weakly.

In French we have the MMS principle :

20 ans : Matin, Midi, Soir
40 ans : Mardi, Mercredi, Samedi
60 ans : Mars, Mai, Septembre

No need for translation is there?

 

[MarkvW]

This is just crap. The purpose of competing at the amateur level is to challenge yourself in an attempt to win. The vast majority of people who enter Masters races do not expect to win nor are they motivated to enter races to win. They simply want to see how they stack up against other fit people AND to enjoy the camaraderie. Some are sufficiently talented that they compete to win. But the narcissists who need to win and therefore dope have no place in cycling.

To suggest the purpose of competing is just to win is a sad indictment of a perverse mentality that fails to understand the human condition or the human spirit

Different strokes for different folks.