Teams & Riders Tom Dumoulin discussion thread

[yaco]

Have to chuckle at Oomen being criticised for Finestre as there was little he or others could do - Sunweb are well set up with Storer and Hindley thought they are 2 or 3 years away.

 

[Red Rick]

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Oomen wasn’t strong enough to hold the Sky train on the Finestre. If he was, TD would have won the Giro. Sky have domestiques who would have genuine GC aspirations riding for other teams, and that’s the kind of domestique Sunweb need to find to support TD in the next couple of years.

How long does Mollema have left on his Trek contract? They’ve already signed Porte, so...

Finestre and Mortirolo are the only climbs where that *** is possible

Especially Oomen will improve, probably to top 5 level on races like the Giro

 

[Salvarani]

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Have to chuckle at Oomen being criticised for Finestre as there was little he or others could do - Sunweb are well set up with Storer and Hindley thought they are 2 or 3 years away.

If Oomen goes into red and ride that climb 30-40s faster, get back downhill and sacrifice himself for Tom before that last climb then what.

Instead he was riding for GC and white jersey

 

[Red Rick]

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Have to chuckle at Oomen being criticised for Finestre as there was little he or others could do - Sunweb are well set up with Storer and Hindley thought they are 2 or 3 years away.

If Oomen goes into red and ride that climb 30-40s faster, get back downhill and sacrifice himself for Tom before that last climb then what.

Instead he was riding for GC and white jersey

If only Dumoulin had done that, he'd been on Froome's wheel. Seriously, it's not like these dudes hold anything back there. Oomen was in the wheels on that climb cause he couldn't go with Dumoulin. He also would've risked bringing Pozzovivo back, yadayadayada.

 

[Dekker_Tifosi]

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Oomen wasn’t strong enough to hold the Sky train on the Finestre. If he was, TD would have won the Giro. Sky have domestiques who would have genuine GC aspirations riding for other teams, and that’s the kind of domestique Sunweb need to find to support TD in the next couple of years.

How long does Mollema have left on his Trek contract? They’ve already signed Porte, so...

Oomen is 22, it won't take long before he is able to follow.

 

[Salvarani]

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Have to chuckle at Oomen being criticised for Finestre as there was little he or others could do - Sunweb are well set up with Storer and Hindley thought they are 2 or 3 years away.

If Oomen goes into red and ride that climb 30-40s faster, get back downhill and sacrifice himself for Tom before that last climb then what.

Instead he was riding for GC and white jersey

If only Dumoulin had done that, he'd been on Froome's wheel. Seriously, it's not like these dudes hold anything back there. Oomen was in the wheels on that climb cause he couldn't go with Dumoulin. He also would've risked bringing Pozzovivo back, yadayadayada.

Dumo was not tryna go into red at that point.

Oomen could have gone into red and helped his captain and completely then dropped instead of riding for own ambition and a top 10 on GC. The team could told him to soft pedaled previous stages instead of riding for GC there also, so that the main goal for him would have been to stay with Dumo on this exact stage because everybody was talking about this stage and Froome way before that.

Easy to be smart in hindsight but anyway...

Look at Geschke yesterday. Was with Dumo until last climb. Had taken it easy on previous stages.

 

[Leinster]

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Have to chuckle at Oomen being criticised for Finestre as there was little he or others could do - Sunweb are well set up with Storer and Hindley thought they are 2 or 3 years away.

Not a criticism, as such. Just that if we’re talking about having a genuine mountain dom to shepherd Tom about, it’ll need to be someone who’s shown a bit more in his career than Oomen has so far. And maybe Kelderman is that guy, and just bad luck has kept him out of the big races that Sunweb wanted him to ride.

 

[yaco]

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Have to chuckle at Oomen being criticised for Finestre as there was little he or others could do - Sunweb are well set up with Storer and Hindley thought they are 2 or 3 years away.

Not a criticism, as such. Just that if we’re talking about having a genuine mountain dom to shepherd Tom about, it’ll need to be someone who’s shown a bit more in his career than Oomen has so far. And maybe Kelderman is that guy, and just bad luck has kept him out of the big races that Sunweb wanted him to ride.

Oomen is a third year pro and its hardly like Froome had a domestique left after his attack - And of course you leaving out Kelderman who can do the job.

 

[DBotero]

I'm wonder how much time would Froome need to be sure Dumoulin won't pass him in the GC if it will be decided in the TT. In theory this profile should be better for Dumoulin than the one in the Giro,so he could take more time here.

 

[Dekker_Tifosi]

To be really safe 50s. I think Dumoulin can take anywhere between 20-40s

 

[DBotero]

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To be really safe 50s. I think Dumoulin can take anywhere between 20-40s

Sounds good.Hard to tell where Froome could take that time.I hope they won't fade in the 3rd week,the battle should be good.

 

[Bardamu]

With sunday probably being an easy day for GC-riders, I wonder if Dumoulin will go all out in the final climb tomorrow. I wouldn't be surprised if Froome would crack just a little, adding the tension at Sky.

 

[King Boonen]

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With sunday probably being an easy day for GC-riders, I wonder if Dumoulin will go all out in the final climb tomorrow. I wouldn't be surprised if Froome would crack just a little, adding the tension at Sky.

He needs to do something. G will be as fast or close to him in the TT so Sky won’t make him give up the lead to Froome. Dumo needs to drop both of the them at some point, which probably means cracking Froome one day and dropping G on another.

 

[Leinster]

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With sunday probably being an easy day for GC-riders, I wonder if Dumoulin will go all out in the final climb tomorrow. I wouldn't be surprised if Froome would crack just a little, adding the tension at Sky.

Sky will set a hard pace up it with Kwiat, Moscon and Bernal. If Dumoulin can jump them and snatch a few seconds, great for him. The best idea might be to follow the wheels of Alaphilippe, Valverde and Martin if the stage win is still in play. This idea may have already occurred to Sky.

 

[Dekker_Tifosi]

Dumoulin said the first 13 stages in the Tour were far less demanding than the Giro

 

[Salvarani]

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Dumoulin said the first 13 stages in the Tour were far less demanding than the Giro

The flat and "easy" stages in Giro were brutal. The pace and racing was great on those but it definitely took its toll, I think thats why we saw some riders just completely collapse later in the race.

 

[Rollthedice]

With Nibali gone, Quintana looking like he'll rather be somewhere else, Dumoulin is the only hope left for humanity. Let us all pray he'll have the legs until the end. He can do it.

 

[Poursuivant]

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With sunday probably being an easy day for GC-riders, I wonder if Dumoulin will go all out in the final climb tomorrow. I wouldn't be surprised if Froome would crack just a little, adding the tension at Sky.

I think if Froome cracks tomorrow, he has no chance to win Tour.

 

[Red Rick]

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With sunday probably being an easy day for GC-riders, I wonder if Dumoulin will go all out in the final climb tomorrow. I wouldn't be surprised if Froome would crack just a little, adding the tension at Sky.

I think if Froome cracks tomorrow, he has no chance to win Tour.

I thought the same when he dropped time on Gran Sasso and the early uphill sprints in the Giro.

 

[Leinster]

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With sunday probably being an easy day for GC-riders, I wonder if Dumoulin will go all out in the final climb tomorrow. I wouldn't be surprised if Froome would crack just a little, adding the tension at Sky.

I think if Froome cracks tomorrow, he has no chance to win Tour.

I thought the same when he dropped time on Gran Sasso and the early uphill sprints in the Giro.

If he loses time to Thomas and Dumoulin tomorrow, Brailsford’s calculator moves further and further into “G is now the boss” territory.

 

[BullsFan22]

I think Dumoulin made a mistake on Alpe D'huez. Should have sat in much more. I think he is showing excellent form but still, you want to preserve wherever you can and he was leading too much for my taste. Tomorrow's climb is not the sort of climb where he can feel at home on. It's short, but steep. He doesn't have the acceleration. That said, it may not be a climb suited to Froome or Thomas either.

Hope Dumoulin proves me wrong and he puts the hurt on team Sky.

 

[Dekker_Tifosi]

You're actually completely wrong about Dumoulin's ability on short climbs.

 

[kiszol]

Well I guess then you think that Simon Yates doesn't have any acceleration either.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UVRMhbt9eZY&feature=youtu.be&t=3m00s

Also recommended: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iDlsMPduHsM

Dumoulin is great on such climbs, probably better than Froome.

 

[Bot. Sky_Bot]

Ups. I must admit TD is marvellous.
There is no comparison to such ridiculous boys, as Movistar trio. Yes, he may win it overall (of course I hope he wiil not).

 

[JosephK]

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With Nibali gone, Quintana looking like he'll rather be somewhere else, Dumoulin is the only hope left for humanity. Let us all pray he'll have the legs until the end. He can do it.

I would love to believe Dumo could disrupt the Sky Machine, but alas, I believe the borgs are invincible. Keeping an eye on Roglic, too. He has been very good, so far. And he will likely be very strong in the TT, also.