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Carrick-On-Seine

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Peyroteo94 said:
Don't get the hype this lad has. Don't see where could he beat climbers (Pogacar) or power horses like WVA
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I guess it's not his fault that GCN employ Adam Blyth and Rob Hatch but apart from that I suppose a lot of hype comes from him being successful in three disciplines. Though, as Horner pointed, out cyclocross is a much smaller peloton and Pidcock very rarely wins when the big two are there whilst mountain biking is basically a semi-pro sport by comparison to road.
 
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Carrick-On-Seine said:
I guess it's not his fault that GCN employ Adam Blyth and Rob Hatch but apart from that I suppose a lot of hype comes from him being successful in three disciplines. Though, as Horner pointed, out cyclocross is a much smaller peloton and Pidcock very rarely wins when the big two are there whilst mountain biking is basically a semi-pro sport by comparison to road.
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Last week his trainer was tooting his horn about how he is "up there" with "the big 3". But he did say RVV would come a bit too early considering his current form. But clearly the idea of him being one of the big boys, also comes from within his own entourage.
 
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Logic-is-your-friend said:
Last week his trainer was tooting his horn about how he is "up there" with "the big 3". But he did say RVV would come a bit too early considering his current form. But clearly the idea of him being one of the big boys, also comes from within his own entourage.
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That is very ill advised as all it does is add unnecessary pressure on his shoulders.

Would like to know today whether he totally faded by ending up 9 minutes down or if he just knocked it off to save energy for the next races once comprehensively dropped and out of a top 10 chance.
 
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JRanton said:
The harsh reality is that he’s yet to show anything at all in a monument and until he does the hype surrounding him needs to settle down. If he’s as good as people claim then he needs to show it at LBL in a few weeks time.
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Cycling is a very random sport and saying "such and such rider must show this and this in this exact race or otherwise...." is not fair.

Pidcock almost won AGR in his neo-pro season and just a month ago he won Strade Bianche in great style. How on Earth do people expect that someone with such performances is not going to be hyped. It's pretty obvious he is one of the most talented riders out there. That doesn't always translate to big results in every single race he rides but that doesn't mean the hype is undeserved. He's going to be hyped for quite a while, yet, even if he shows nothing in the near future, because he's already shown enough in the past, that's how hype works. I recommend that you just deal with it because you will not defeat it.
 
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stonerider said:
Pidcock seems to be able to get a great peak, but he can't hold it longer than a week. But he's very inconsistent on the road which makes him look weak compared to the younger Pogacar. Pidcock will have a storming ride like Strade Bianchi this year and then he'll go missing for a couple months.
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Perhaps concussion might not be considered a reason for 'going missing' on this the forum, but believe me it has lasting consequences.
 
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It seems like he doesn't stand much of a chance if Pogacar/MVDP/WVA and likely Evenepoel are racing. It might be a case of in another generation, he'd be winning everything, but there're too many generational talents racing now. Maybe his peak is yet to come? What're his chances for the rest of the season? I can only see him winning stages. How well do we think he'd be doing if he concentrated 100% of his efforts on the road, rather than dabbling in XC and CX?
 
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Salmon Spread said:
It seems like he doesn't stand much of a chance if Pogacar/MVDP/WVA and likely Evenepoel are racing. It might be a case of in another generation, he'd be winning everything, but there're too many generational talents racing now. Maybe his peak is yet to come? What're his chances for the rest of the season? I can only see him winning stages. How well do we think he'd be doing if he concentrated 100% of his efforts on the road, rather than dabbling in XC and CX?
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It doesn't appear that MvdP's CX campaign stopped him from peaking again for the monuments. He did however have to start his road campaign at a lower level (Strade Bianchi and Tirreno) before he was able to hit his peak form again for MSR, Flanders and Paris Roubaix. Finding your peak is as much an art as science because of so many variables out of your control, such as illness and life/family stuff. Last year Pog was hampered by the death of his partner's mother.
 
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Did anyone watch his post race interview? He seemed really disappointed, almost stunned, that'd he'd been beaten by Pogacar. Maybe he has too much belief in his own hype? Did he think he could just ride off and drop Pogacar?
 
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Dekker_Tifosi said:
Also consider the fact Pidcock is far more of a climber/ardennes type than VDP/Van Aert.

And then he has to go up against Pogacar in the ardennes...
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I'm not convinced he is more of a climber/ardennes rider than Van Aert. The difference is he focusses on it more than Van Aert does. I don't think Pidcock, as we know him, would have done better at the Olympic road race than Van Aert, or at the '21 Tirreno. Actually i would assume he wouldn't. Van Aert won on Ventoux, Pidcock won on Alpe d'Huez. Both from a break. Van Aert beat Mollema and Elisonde. Pidcock beat Froome and Meintjes.
 
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Salmon Spread said:
Did anyone watch his post race interview? He seemed really disappointed, almost stunned, that'd he'd been beaten by Pogacar. Maybe he has too much belief in his own hype? Did he think he could just ride off and drop Pogacar?
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He said something like "I think I can follow him on a good day". Can't blame him for trying, Pog had another gear.
I'm still on the positive side for him to take another little step in these classics. With good results tomorrow and Sunday he can be happy about his campaign.

Is he planned to do the Tour again?
 
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Didinho said:
He said something like "I think I can follow him on a good day". Can't blame him for trying, Pog had another gear.
I'm still on the positive side for him to take another little step in these classics. With good results tomorrow and Sunday he can be happy about his campaign.
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I don't expect him to be up there on sunday, but he was impressive on Malhao earlier this season, so i think he has a good chance in Flèche on wednesday. But it's not clear to me if he is fully fit or not.
 
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Logic-is-your-friend said:
I don't expect him to be up there on sunday, but he was impressive on Malhao earlier this season, so i think he has a good chance in Flèche on wednesday. But it's not clear to me if he is fully fit or not.
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Yeah that's what I think. But I meant in these races, not particularly this week. In the next years. Don't think he's his absolute best now. But indeed a good chance tomorrow.
 
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Didinho said:
He said something like "I think I can follow him on a good day". Can't blame him for trying, Pog had another gear.
I'm still on the positive side for him to take another little step in these classics. With good results tomorrow and Sunday he can be happy about his campaign.

Is he planned to do the Tour again?
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Probably, to go for stages and who knows yellow in the first week. It's not like they have an actual contender for yellow this year.
 
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With cyclo-cross you can clearly see that he is the best of the rest. Good, but not the big powerengine that mvdp and wva have. He always strikes me as a bit of a rider with the build of alaphilippe but without the punch. But who knows, he is young still and questionmarks about his fitness. He has to show more somewhere this year however though, to warrant the hype imo..
 
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