Tony Gallopin

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Publicus said:
I actually think it was a rather dumb set of tactics by Gallopin. Thomas had a teammate AND was in yellow. All he had to do was sit on and let Sky drive, while we hitched a ride (what were they going to do, stop trying to close the gap? not likely)). By his own admission, he was helping Thomas out (see comments from Eurosport). So as much as you folks want to chalk this up to sour grapes by Contador fans, there's a fair amount of schadenfreude being exhibited by the pro-Sky/Froome, anti-Contador crowd if you don't recognize that his tactics were a bit questionable under the circumstances and facts (i recognize every rider rides his own race, but TG made it clear he was helping out his mate).

In any event, it was a great stage and fantastic racing, so there's really nothing to complain about from a sporting perspective and I hope that isn't lost in all of this nonsense.

When I watched this race live I was as annoyed by Gallopin's tactics as much as most (well not as annoyed as Flo :D ) Contador supporters were. However, when taking on board all of the circumstances and possibilities, I believe that Tony did the right thing, regardless if from his perspective he was riding to help a friend (Thomas). Wellens was the likely winner of the sprint against Contador and Porte, this is true, but the key aspect in all of this is that during all of the last 15 kms, it was pretty touch and go as to whether or not the second group would have caught the three leaders (with or without the help of Sky and Gallopin), even though in the end, they didn't quite make it. And to have that group bridge to them (without Gallopin) would have significantly reduced the chances of Wellens (and his team) winning the stage. Gallopin's efforts were a key to bringing the Sky duo back (Thomas probably wasn't all that strong); if he hadn't worked then they wouldn't have made it. It would have been too late if the second group had bridged across with only a km or two to go to then say to Tony, "start working", as the third group probably would have been 10-20 seconds in arrears, and Wellens would have had to outsprint a far greater number of riders. Lotto were not to know that the three leaders would just hold on. Perhaps at least one of the three might have hit the wall and resulted in a sudden erasing of their minor advantage. Even if Wellens was telling the team that he could keep taking pulls, how were they to know if Contador or Porte were about to go into the red zone?

The front three needed one more helper with them as it turned out. If Majka had someone held on then that would have made the difference, but it was his enormous effort that got Alberto the gap near the top of Eze in the first place.
 
cantpedal said:
I wasn't trying to insult you Flo. comparing the absurdity of all the arguments of possibilities of what could or should have happened with the thought that you might root for Froome.
Oh no my post was aimed at Inquitus :)
Although suggesting I could ever cheer for Froome is pretty insulting :mad: ;) :p
 
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pastronef said:
http://video.eurosport.fr/cyclisme/video-gallopin-geraint-c-est-quelqu-un-que-j-apprecie_vid581688/video.shtml

Gallopin: I like Thomas, I prefer him to win the overall

The only thing I got from that video is how lucky he is. Marion Rousse <3333333333333333
 
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hrotha said:
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jens_attacks said:
Tinkov guys should never let him break away for this.
Riding to defend his top 10 place on GC? Bad boy, Tony, bad!
Riding to defend a lame top 10 place by helping the race leader because they're buddies.

And people still wonder why some have a problem with this?

So Tony should loose out on being the best Frenchman in the most prestigious French one week race in the calendar? It may mean nothing to you, maybe youre not competitive, but for many cyclists Top 10 in GC does matter a lot, especially when it comes to being best Frenchman in French race. And yes, Gallopin helped definitely more cause they're mates, but that wasn't the only reason he did pulls.
 
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hrotha said:
I know it matters to him, I just think it shouldn't and that that kind of attitude is ruining cycling. So there.

So why bother racing? Just get 3 cyclists race for the first three places and be done with it. 10th place is as important to some rider as 1st is to Contador or Thomas, same way 30th place would be important to some neo-pro. I can see your logic, I disagree with it, but fair enough though.
 
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Jakub said:
Oh Gallopin....It's just sad that professional sport gives an opportunity for such non-intelligent people to speak publicly. There should be an IQ test.

I am not saying Gallopin is particularly smart (in fact, I have no idea), but what exactly suggests what you say? And why is it an issue if non-intelligent people speak publicly? :confused:
 
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IndianCyclist said:
Tiralongo helping Contador win Vuelta 2012 against Purito. Similar to this action. Nothing to it except racing and racing tactics as well as personal relationships. A lot can happen due to personal equations.
Although that Vuelta was payback for a Giro MTF the point you make is pretty spot on :)
 
pastronef said:
switch the situation:

Thomas on the attack, and Contador in yellow, helped my Majka and Gallopin

Alberto keeps yellow for 4 seconds

Gallopin hero of the day

if it was truly switched, I would have questioned Gallopin's tactics in that scenario too. Plus, if Contador had been dropped by Thomas on the climb, there would have been the story and not Gallopin's tactics
 
hrotha said:
pastronef said:
switch the situation:

Thomas on the attack, and Contador in yellow, helped my Majka and Gallopin

Alberto keeps yellow for 4 seconds

Gallopin hero of the day
Where's Wellens in your scenario? He's kinda important to this discussion.

Wellens can fend for himself.
If Alberto wins and Sky loses, Wellens win is less important

less important for everybody shouting at Gallopin for helping Thomas (Wellens' chances in this reasoning come after)
 
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IndianCyclist said:
Tiralongo helping Contador win Vuelta 2012 against Purito. Similar to this action. Nothing to it except racing and racing tactics as well as personal relationships. A lot can happen due to personal equations.

It's not even close to being the same cause Contador was hurt in this case :p
 
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hrotha said:
I know it matters to him, I just think it shouldn't and that that kind of attitude is ruining cycling. So there.
Actually it has always been this way. Contador is actually one of the more egregious riders in insistently asking for help, true to his old-school approach. I remember him asking Kruijswijk, Sanchez, Landa and even Valverde for turns just last year (that last one was particularly funny). Before USPS, really, teams were more loose gatherings of cliques than real squads. You'd see relationships (and envelopes) have huge impacts on the road. If you enjoy the ever-so-drilled us-against-the-world mentality, then you should really be rooting for Sky :p