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spalco said:
Tony Martin is one of the few cyclists who I really want to believe in, not least because he would be risking so much if he's doping, more than probably almost any other cyclist - not only intense condemnation by the German public/media but also his fallback career as a policeman, which surely would over if he's caught.

+1

Also the fact that he's not a mountain goat on top of being the best ITTer.
 
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spalco said:
Tony Martin is one of the few cyclists who I really want to believe in, not least because he would be risking so much if he's doping, more than probably almost any other cyclist - not only intense condemnation by the German public/media but also his fallback career as a policeman, which surely would over if he's caught.

that's all noble and stuff, but you're slightly overestimating the intelligence of cyclists.
Did you also believe in Ricco, because he would never be foolish enough to dope again after having been caught, risking not only his cycling but also any other carreer?

unfortunately, cycling is not where you're likely to find the brightest of intellects.
 
sniper said:
Did you also believe in Ricco, because he would never be foolish enough to dope again after having been caught, risking not only his cycling but also any other carreer?

Hell no. I like Ricco, but I wouldn't entrust him with a pack of chewing gum even if he gave me his firstborn as security. ;)

And re: cyclists' intelligence, yeah cyclists are not known as an especially smart sort of athlete, but the tiny slimmer of hope I still have in the integrity of the sport rests on people like Martin. If not him, who else is there to believe in?
 
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did martin perform above what was expected of him considering the course, weather, his progress this year etc ?

was cancellara performing at/above/below his best form from the past winning years ?

seeing the power files for both riders could go a long way.

w/o them the intuitive answer is as sad as the results of just finished vuelta.:(
 
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spalco said:
Hell no. I like Ricco, but I wouldn't entrust him with a pack of chewing gum even if he gave me his firstborn as security. ;)

And re: cyclists' intelligence, yeah cyclists are not known as an especially smart sort of athlete, but the tiny slimmer of hope I still have in the integrity of the sport rests on people like Martin. If not him, who else is there to believe in?

yeah, I see what you mean.

but i simply doubt that doping cyclists are really aware of the consequences. there is simply too much to gain, and there is still the idea that doping isn't a crime, cuz everybody's doing it.
this mentality is far from changing.

and whatabout synkewitz. He was a guy I thought would never dare to touch anything remotely related to doping. and yet...

also, i'm inclined to agree with mb2612, that the 7-score on the UCI list does mean something.
 
craig1985 said:
What, Tony Martin speaks English to a pretty good level, has ridden for an American team his entire pro career, won plenty of TT's in his career and people claim that he is a doper? No way. Plus even though he is from the old East Germany, he and his family escaped before the Berlin Wall came down, so he isn't in the same boat as Klöden, Zabel, Ullrich etc.

Are you implying American pro teams over past years have been predominantly clean? Or is it just the knowledge of english speech and taking part in TT's that's working for his believability?
 
Mrs John Murphy said:
No more 'offensive' than any other nickname that get used around here. You could claim that the 'Panzerwagen' is just as offensive because of its connections to the SS Panzerwagen.

I think Panzerwagen is a dumb nickname too, but apparently Martin doesn't object to that, so whatever.

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And @blackcat: I'm not Italian.
 
Got a good look at Tony Martins's face and head on the podium getting his Jersey, quite the ride.

I noticed a particular bulge around his eyebrows, which I have often noticed on bodybuilders and wrestlers.

I will attempt to find some much older face photos of Tony, see if they match recent.
 
Seriously though, Tony Martin has had a really natural progression. Every year his TT has become only slightly better, ultimately resulting in a WC title. Also, the fact that he wants to do a good GC in GTs, yet gets dropped each time a mountain approaches, doesn't exactly resemble a typical doper. Furthermore, when you add to the equation that his form is fairly consistent and that he hasn't been on any particularly shady teams, I find it quite unreasonable that he has a thread here at all.
 
maltiv said:
Seriously though, Tony Martin has had a really natural progression. Every year his TT has become only slightly better, ultimately resulting in a WC title. Also, the fact that he wants to do a good GC in GTs, yet gets dropped each time a mountain approaches, doesn't exactly resemble a typical doper. Furthermore, when you add to the equation that his form is fairly consistent and that he hasn't been on any particularly shady teams, I find it quite unreasonable that he has a thread here at all.

If I were to put a list of the people in the péloton I think are doping, Martin wouldn't be in the top 50.

But this is pure fallacy. High Road sports is the continuation of the very shady T-Mobile, I hardly think they bear the unmistakable stench of clean cycling.

But if that's not enough for you, he was a stagiare at Gerolsteiner.