Top 10 Cyclists from your country of all time

[Weeman]

Don't think I can come up with 10 that would rightfully be up there for Scotland but heres 8 for starters,hopefully be some more in a few years.These are in no order.

Robert Millar,Graeme O'Bree,Chris Hoy,David Millar,Brian Smith,Craig McLean,Billy Bilsland and maybe the most famous Kirkpatrick MacMillan

 

[Carl0880]

So here we go for Luxembourgs Top Ten List

1. Charly Gaul
2. Nicolas Frantz
3. Francois Faber
4. Andy Schleck
5. Kim Kirchen
6. Frank Schleck
7. Jean "Bim" Diederich
8. Jean Goldschmit
9. Marcel Ernzer
10. Jean Kirchen

I dont know much about the bottom 3 cyclist, but wasn't Andy and Franks father, Johnny, a top domestique for one of the big tour winners, Eddiy or Anquetil

 

[Hammerhed]

USA's top cyclists (regardless of discipline)

Not in Order

Major Taylor
Jonathan (Jacques) Boyer
John Tomac
Ned Overend
Lance Armstrong
Phinney the Elder
Greg Lemond
Andy Hampstead
Tinker Juarez
Chris Horner

 

[Aguirre]

basque country

1. Miguel Indurain
2. Marino Lejarreta
3. Jesus Loroño
4. Abraham Olano
5. Iban Mayo
6. Txomin Perurena
7. Julian Gorospe
8. Juanma Garate
9. Haimar Zubeldia
10. M.M. Lasa

pd: Igor Anton to be included in few years

 

[Roude Leiw]

I dont know much about the bottom 3 cyclist, but wasn't Andy and Franks father, Johnny, a top domestique for one of the big tour winners, Eddiy or Anquetil

Yes, he actually was, he did participate 7 times at the TdF between 65 and 73, but never won a stage, the other 3 cyclists all won at least a stage at the TdF and have multiple participations too

 

[The_Z_man]

Since the precedent has been set, I'll stick up for the French.

1. Bernard Hinault
2. Jacques Anquetil
3. Louison Bobet
4. Laurent Fignon
5. Jean Robic
6. Bernard Thevenet
7. Raymond Poulidor
8. Laurent Jalabert
9. Charley Mottet
10. Jean-Francois Bernard (OK, so I punted.)

 

[Nick C.]

USA

1. LeMond - 2 championships, plus the tours, Giro podium, Junior world championship, I believe a Super Prestige Pernod and podiums or top 5s in multiple classics
2. Major Taylor
3. Armstrong - not at the same level IMO b/c he rode one race per year more or less post cancer
4. Hampsten
5. Hincapie
6. Frank Kramer
7. Kristin Armstrong
8. Davis Phinney
9. Ned Overend
10. Julich/Leipheimer

 

[Clemson Cycling]

Armstrong vs Lemond, hard to say Lemond compares

Lance Armstrong
7x Tour de France Champion
22x Tour de France Stages
9x Grand Tour Top 5's
World Champion
American Champion
Olympic Bronze Medal
2x Dauphiné Libéré
2x Tour du Pont
Tour de Suisse
La Flèche Wallonne
Clásica de San Sebastián
Tour de Luxembourg
Tour de Georgia

Greg Lemond
3x Tour de France Champion
2x World Champion
7x Grand Tour top 5's
5x Tour de France Stages
Giro Stage
Dauphiné Libéré
Junior World Champion
2x Coors Classic
Tour DuPont

 

[anubisza]

And Ryan Cox as one who didn't get to reach his potential.

Very true, he had the talent. A real shame.

 

[Nastyy]

It was really really hard to come up with Finland's list. But here we go


1. Pia Sundstedt
2. Tea Vikstedt
3. Harry Hannus
4. Jussi Veikkanen
5. Kjell Carlström
6. Joona Laukka
7. Jukka Vastaranta
8. Kari Myyryläinen
9. Matti Helminen
10. Lotta Lepistö

 

[Balleballe]

Norway

1. Thor Hushovd
2. Jostein Wilmann
3. Knut Knudsen
4. Dag Otto Lauritzen
5. Atle Kvålsvoll
6. Dag Erik Pedersen
6. Edvald Boasson Hagen
7. Kurt Asle Arvesen
8. Jaanus Kuum
9. Atle Pedersen
10. Steffen Kjærgaard

Nice list, but personally i would put Knudsen second after Hushovd. Olympic and world champion on the track, 6 stage wins in the Giro, won Tirreno-Adriatico, and national champion 11 times. He also has 49 victories as a professional, and was one the worlds best TT-cyclist of his time.

I know Wilmann is the best GC-rider Norway has ever had, but i put Knudsen's victories higher.

I would also out Arvesen a bit higher. Two stage wins in the Giro, one in the Tour, U-23 world Champion, and national RR-champion 5 times, (two times TT-champion).

 

[39*23t]

I grew up in South Africa, so...

1) Robbie Hunter
2) John-Lee Augustyn
3) ummm..... thats about it!!

willi engelbret
darryl impy
beneke brothers
alan van heerden
the idiot on supersport

 

[kiwirider]

Armstrong vs Lemond, hard to say Lemond compares

Lance Armstrong
7x Tour de France Champion
22x Tour de France Stages
9x Grand Tour Top 5's
World Champion
American Champion
Olympic Bronze Medal
2x Dauphiné Libéré
2x Tour du Pont
Tour de Suisse
La Flèche Wallonne
Clásica de San Sebastián
Tour de Luxembourg
Tour de Georgia

Greg Lemond
3x Tour de France Champion
2x World Champion
7x Grand Tour top 5's
5x Tour de France Stages
Giro Stage
Dauphiné Libéré
Junior World Champion
2x Coors Classic
Tour DuPont

What about Lemond's:
2 x silver at World Champs
1x Tour de l'Avenir
4 x top 5 at classics (including Paris Roubaix, Milan San Remo)
plus a host of other top 5 places in races such as Paris-Nice, Het Volk ...

And those are just the palmares that I know of - I'm sure if someone did some research you'd find placings in races that I didn't know of ...

Perhaps do a bit more research before posting - or would that undermine the point that you're trying to make?

 

[39*23t]

willi engelbret
darryl impy
beneke brothers
alan van heerden
the idiot on supersport

since trackies get a mention can i throw in Greg minaar a world class mtber

 

[Clemson Cycling]

What about Lemond's:
2 x silver at World Champs
1x Tour de l'Avenir
4 x top 5 at classics (including Paris Roubaix, Milan San Remo)
plus a host of other top 5 places in races such as Paris-Nice, Het Volk ...

And those are just the palmares that I know of - I'm sure if someone did some research you'd find placings in races that I didn't know of ...

Perhaps do a bit more research before posting - or would that undermine the point that you're trying to make?

I must have accidentally deleted the Tour de l'Avenir so sorry about that.

Other then that I was looking at significant overall wins and Grand Tours (to be fair I probably shouldn't have put Lance's Bronze on there to be fair by those standards). However, Lance also has a significant number of podiums I left off (1992 Züri-Metzgete, 1993 Tour of Sweden 1994 Clasica San Sebastian, 1994 Liège-Bastogne-Liège, 1996 Paris-Nice, 1999/2001 Amstel Gold Race and so on). I didn't want to include them all or the list would have gone on and on. Maybe you should do a bit more research since you concluded Greg Lemond is the greater cyclist, not to mention putting Leipheimer behind, Hincapie, Phinney, and tying him with Julrich.

 

[Tugboat]

It's Julich not Julrich!!

 

[kiwirider]

Maybe you should do a bit more research since you concluded Greg Lemond is the greater cyclist, not to mention putting Leipheimer behind, Hincapie, Phinney, and tying him with Julrich.

Why did you delete my log in name from the quote and then try to carry on a debate that you're having with another member of the forum??? I've seen this sort of thing said to you in other threads - try reading before typing ...

Almost wish I was american (yeah right ... like I really mean that ...) so that I could get into an argument with you about the ranking ...

Oh, and while I'm on line - it's Julich ... not Julrich ...

 

[Clemson Cycling]

I apologize Kiwirider, I did have the wrong person. My mistake. Lance is still better then Lemond though and yes it is Julich.

 

[runninboy]

Armstrong vs Lemond, hard to say Lemond compares

Lance Armstrong
7x Tour de France Champion
22x Tour de France Stages
9x Grand Tour Top 5's
World Champion
American Champion
Olympic Bronze Medal
2x Dauphiné Libéré
2x Tour du Pont
Tour de Suisse
La Flèche Wallonne
Clásica de San Sebastián
Tour de Luxembourg
Tour de Georgia

Greg Lemond
3x Tour de France Champion
2x World Champion
7x Grand Tour top 5's
5x Tour de France Stages
Giro Stage
Dauphiné Libéré
Junior World Champion
2x Coors Classic
Tour DuPont

Hard to compare?
Lemonds first 4 world championships result in 3 podium finishes
I wonder if anyone else did that?

Lance has made the podium once in the 17 years since he turned pro

 

[Clemson Cycling]

Lance has made the podium once in the 17 years since he turned pro

How many times did he race it? To be fair, he didn't only make the podium, he won the thing.

In Lance's first 12 Tour de France races he made the podium 8 times. Has anyone ever done that?

 

[Clemson Cycling]

Hard to compare?
Lemonds first 4 world championships result in 3 podium finishes
I wonder if anyone else did that?

Alfredo Binda did it
1927: 1st
1929: 3rd
1930: 1st

Georges Ronsse did it
1928: 1st
1929: 1st
1930: 3rd

These guys all had 3 in 3 consecutive years
Georges Ronsse (1928-1930)
André Darrigade (1957-1960 4 in 4)
Francesco Moser (1976-1978)
Moreno Argentin (1985-1987)
Gianni Bugno (1990-1992)
Óscar Freire (1999-2001)

Just in case you were wondering 3 in 3 for ITT
Michael Rich (2002-2004)
Michael Rogers (2003-2005) 3 wins
Fabian Cancellara (2005-2007)

Chris Boardman had 4 in 6 years

 

[runninboy]

I must have accidentally deleted the Tour de l'Avenir so sorry about that.

Other then that I was looking at significant overall wins and Grand Tours (to be fair I probably shouldn't have put Lance's Bronze on there to be fair by those standards). However, Lance also has a significant number of podiums I left off (1992 Züri-Metzgete, 1993 Tour of Sweden 1994 Clasica San Sebastian, 1994 Liège-Bastogne-Liège, 1996 Paris-Nice, 1999/2001 Amstel Gold Race and so on). I didn't want to include them all or the list would have gone on and on. Maybe you should do a bit more research since you concluded Greg Lemond is the greater cyclist, not to mention putting Leipheimer behind, Hincapie, Phinney, and tying him with Julrich.

If you want to be fair, when Greg won his first TDF he had to defeat a five time winner, his later tour wins came against a two time winner and also Stephen Roche who had the rare triple crown in one year Giro, TDF, Worlds.
So lets see he defeated previous Tour winners
Hinault 5
Fignon 2
Joop Zoetemelk 1
Pedro Delgado 1
Stephen Roche 1
and also
Miguel Indurain who would win 5
Lance Armstrong who would win 7

Who did Armstrong beat?
Ulrich 1
Pantani 1
Gosh that is impressive competition

 

[runninboy]

Alfredo Binda did it
1927: 1st
1929: 3rd
1930: 1st

Georges Ronsse did it
1928: 1st
1929: 1st
1930: 3rd

These guys all had 3 in 3 consecutive years
Georges Ronsse (1928-1930)
André Darrigade (1957-1960 4 in 4)
Francesco Moser (1976-1978)
Moreno Argentin (1985-1987)
Gianni Bugno (1990-1992)
Óscar Freire (1999-2001)

Thanks!
Armstrong sure as heck isn't on there

 

[runninboy]

How many times did he race it? To be fair, he didn't only make the podium, he won the thing.

In Lance's first 12 Tour de France races he made the podium 8 times. Has anyone ever done that?

Ya and Greg won the thing too Twice!

Yes Lance is a better TDF but against inferior competition
Greg was riding Paris Roubaix and other classics and one day races like Worlds against the likes of Kelly, Moser,Hinault etc
So Lemond is comparable when you consider the competition
Greg beat riders who had over 20 TDF wins between them Lance 2...
I think Greg is better
you say it is not comparable?
Please

 

[Clemson Cycling]

Ya and Greg won the thing too Twice!

He actually won three times.