TRDean said:
I respectfully disagree with your "ranking" of races. Boyer won the Coors classic...and RAAM...and was a solid TdF racer.
Those are a couple of good domestic results, but it takes a lot more than that and being a "solid TdF racer" to be considered one of the top 10 American cyclists of all time.
TRDean said:
World championships are nice...but not the end all be all of cycling.
Actually, in mountainbike racing, the World Championships are the end all be all, since they don't have anything like the grand tours they have in road racing. It is the one race that every mountainbike racer dreams about winning, and if you do it establishes you as the champion of your discipline.
TRDean said:
Also, you seriously under respect the fact of being the first to be a big time road racer in Europe. He is the one that paved the way. No American team for him to ride for...had to learn French, Dutch...just to survive.
I respect him for all of those things, I just don't see how that establishes him as one of the top 10 cyclists of all time. John Tomac was one of the first mountain bikers, if not the first, to cross over from BMX racing, but that's no reason to consider him one of the greatest American cyclists of all time. He is great because he won several World and American Championships against strong competition, not because he was a groundbreaker. I don't doubt that Boyer was one of the strongest American road racers of his time, but that isn't saying much considering that America wasn't very competitive on the world stage at that time.
TRDean said:
You have quite a bias in your rankings...I mean John Tomac as number one? Over LA and Lemond? It is hard to take that ranking seriously.
I don't think there is any bias in ranking Tomac #1, considering the number of championships he won, and the diversity he showed during his racing career; dominating at several different disciplines, some simultaneously. No other cyclist in world history has show the diversity he has, he is clearly the greatest American mountainbike racer ever, he never doped, and he was and is a great sportsman and advocate for the sport.
Maybe you don't understand that America has had a much more successful history in mountainbike racing than it has been in road racing, that is why there are deservedly more mountainbikers on my top 10 list. Here is Tomac's impressive racing resume', with some of his own comments about it:
JOHN TOMAC'S RACING RESUME
1976-1985 BMX Racer:
Raced BMX from age 7-17. Raced locally in Michigan and in the Midwest winning State and Regional Championships. Raced nationally from age 11 through 17. At the age of 16 won a national championship in BMX. Raced for the Factory Mongoose team from age 15 to16.
1985 BMX PRO:
Turned Pro at BMX at age 17 and raced only one year in the pro ranks.
1986 MT BIKER:
Moved from Michigan to Southern Cal and started riding and racing mountain bikes. Had some factory support from Mongoose with the mountain bike racing. Won my first major mountain bike race in the fall of 86 (The Ross Fat Tire Stage Race, Massachusetts).
1986,87,88,89.
Rode for Factory Mongoose as mountain Bike racer. I was racing all mountain bike events at this time (hillclimb, downhill, cross-country and dual slalom). These were the early years of major mountain bike racing. I also started riding and racing Road Cycling events for training, became very competitive quite early and won national titles in road racing in 88 and 89. I rode for the Sunkyong and Celestial Seasonings road teams in 88 and 89.
86 Ross Stage Race Winner
86 L.A. Coliseum Supercross Mt Bike Exhibition Race Winner
87 Mountain Bike Action Super Prestige Series Winner
87 (3) National x-country race wins.
87 Ross Stage Race Winner
88 Overall Norba World Champion
88 Overall Norba National X-Country National Champion
88 Norba Dual Slalom World Champion
88 Tour of the Rockies Stage Race Winner
88 U.S.C.F National Criterium Champion (Road Cycling)
89 Overall Norba World Champion
89 Norba Downhill World Champion
89 European X-country World Champion
89 U.S.C.F National Team Time Trial Champion (Road Cycling)
89 German National X-Country Championship Race Winner
1990,91.
In 1990 I continued racing mountain Bikes as a Pro but also signed a contract with the 7-11 professional road cycling team. During this time I lived in Belgium for most of the race season and raced both mountain Bikes and Road Race events. I would travel back and forth from the U.S. to Europe and race Norba National events, Major U.S. Road events, World Cup mountain Bike events in Europe and the U.S., and also major road racing events in Europe. I was racing around 100-120 events a year, Major road events included Spring Classics such as: Tour of Flanders and Paris-Roubaix, I also rode the Tour of Italy in 1990. In 1991 I rode for the Motorola professional road team doing a very similar schedule as 1990. On the mountain bike in 1990 I was between good contracts so I raced for Yeti and Tioga while on the dirt. In 1991 I signed a good deal with Raleigh to ride for them on the dirt and I won them a World Championship and World Cup title that year.
90 World Championship x-country 6th place
90 World Championship downhill 4th place
90 2 time x-country and downhill national race event winner.
90 Rode the Tour of Italy, Tour of Flanders, Paris Roubaix and finished Top 20 in the Spring Classic (Ghent-Wevelgem). (Road events)
91 UCI World x-country Champion
91 UCI World downhill Championship 2nd Place
91 UCI World Cup x-country Champion
91 Norba National downhill Champion
91 World Cup race winner, France and Germany
91 Norba National race winner, Colorado and Vermont
91 Italian Cup Race Winner
1992-1996.
In 1992 I decided to once again focus completely on mountain Bike racing and stopped racing as a pro on the road. I rode from 1992 through most of the 94 season for Raleigh but at the end of the 94 season, I switched teams and started to ride for Giant. This era from 1990-1996 was boom time for mountain bike racing. The events were huge in the US and in Europe.
92 UCI World Cup Overall x-country 2nd Place
92 World Cup x-country race winner, Belgium and Switzerland
92 UCI World Championship downhill 5th Place
92 Australian National Downhill Championship race Winner
93 UCI World Cup Overall x-country 2nd Place
93 UCI World Cup Overall downhill 2nd Place
93 Norba National x-country series Overall 2nd Place
93 World Cup Downhill event Winner, Canada
93 Norba National event Winner, Indiana and Michigan
94 Norba National Downhill Champion
94 Norba National Race event winner, Washington, Michigan and Georgia
94 World Cup x-country race winner, Spain.
94 Sea Otter Stage Race Champion
94 Cactus Cup Champion
95 Norba National downhill series overall, 4th Place
95 Cactus Cup Dirt Criterium Stage Winner
95 Cactus Cup Street Criterium Stage Winner
95 Hawaiian Mountain Tour downhill stage Winner
95 Roost Master Race Winner
95 Norba National downhill race event Winner, Colorado
96 Norba National x-country series Champion
96 Norba National event Winner, Vermont and Georgia
96 World Cup downhill event Winner, Hawaii
96 Roost Master Race Winner
96 Olympic Qualification Race Winner, Georgia
In 1997 I chose to retire from X-country racing and I then focused completely and downhill events. I stuck with this discipline for the rest of my career from 1997-2000.
1997 was good year for me on the Giant bikes with a national championship title win and a silver medal at the world championship. In both 98 and 99 I was sidelined for much of these two seasons with broken bone injuries (collar-bone and wrist ). These injuries seemed to take the motivation and speed out of my game. I then rode 2000 as the final season of my career. In 1998 I founded the TOMAC bicycle company with a long time friend and began producing and selling Tomac mountain Bikes. I raced, managed the race team and assisted with the Tomac mountain bike business from 1998-2000.
97 Norba National downhill series Champion
97 UCI World Championship downhill 2nd Place
97 UCI World Cup downhill series, 5th Place
97 Norba National downhill race event Winner, Vermont
97 World Cup Final downhill race event Winner, Austria
97 Norba National dual slalom race event Winner, Washington
98 Winter X games Snow Mt Biking , Bronze Medal
98 Sidelined with broken collar bone
99 Sidelined with broken wrist
2000 The farewell tour
2001 Loretta Lynn Amateur AMA National Motocross Champion (Vet Intermediate)
JOHN TOMAC'S CAREER BRAGGING RIGHTS
6 Time World Champion
4 Time Norba World Champion
1 European World Title
1 UCI World Title
10 Time National Champion
5 Norba national titles
3 downhill, 2 x-country
2 National Road Race titles
1 BMX National title
1 World Cup Championship
3 World Cup Final Event Wins
8 World Cup Event Wins
14 Norba National Event Wins
Mt. Bike Hall of Fame Member
U.S. Bicycling Hall of Fame Member
1991 Velo News Mt Biker of the Year
1994 Korbel Lifetime Achievement Award
1996 Mt. Bike Action Rider of the Year
1997 Norba Sportsmen of the Year
1997 Mt. Bike Magazine Rider of the Year