Total Disillusionment

[Fearless Greg Lemond]

But, yeah, I was over doing it a bit..

A tiny bit.

Froome I don't see as a machine either, but I must admit I don't know too much about him apart from his oft related infection problems - which (if not an utter lie and cover up) would explain why he's not been able to break through completely before...

Would the Froomster lie about his disease?

Froome, 26, recalled that his career had been affected by Bilharzia, a disease caused by parasitic worms. He got it in November last year as he visited his native country, Kenya. “I’ve had to repeat the treatment after the Tour de Suisse and I hope it’s over now”, he said, as this cost him a start at the Tour de France, a race he experienced as early as in 2008 as a neo-pro with Barloworld.

http://www.realpeloton.com/

http://www.velonation.com/News/ID/9586/Chris-Froome-The-Vuelta-is-a-big-milestone-in-my-career.aspx

November 2010.

http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/froome-hopes-to-keep-vuelta-lead-as-long-as-possible

Froome’s season was knocked off course by the parasite which he picked during a visit to Kenya. It cost him a ride at this year’s Tour de France but he is now confident he has overcome the problem.

“It feeds off red blood cells which is obviously not ideal for an athlete,” he said. “But after undergoing some treatment following the Tour of Switzerland in June, I think where I am now shows I’ve finally got the better of it.”

That does not explain his previous non contending in for example the Giro 2010 where he was hanging on motorbikes.

What will Richies excuse be for his powerpeak?

 

[D-Queued]

...

What will Richies excuse be for his powerpeak?

Silly question.

Bilharzia is obviously highly communicable.

And, Froome is a snail.

Can I catch Bilharzia from someone infected?

No - unless you are a snail !
Schistosomes must alternate between humans and snails to complete their life cycle. This means that Bilharzia can only caught from snails.

Dave.

 

[BroDeal]

Can I catch Bilharzia from someone infected?

No - unless you are a snail !
Schistosomes must alternate between humans and snails to complete their life cycle. This means that Bilharzia can only caught from snails.

Uh-oh. With Froome at the Tour, every member of the French population is at risk of becoming the newest cycling sensation. Expect to see crusty old codgers on rusty bikes with baguettes sticking out of rucksacks powering up climbs at just slightly less than six Watts per kilogram, leaving plodders like Evans gasping in their wake.

 

[heart_attack_man]

Uh-oh. With Froome at the Tour, every member of the French population is at risk of becoming the newest cycling sensation. Expect to see crusty old codgers on rusty bikes with baguettes sticking out of rucksacks powering up climbs at just slightly less than six Watts per kilogram, leaving plodders like Evans gasping in their wake.

That's just gold!

 

[BroDeal]

The worst part of the current situation is the deja vu. It is watching the low bandwidth types turn dogsh!t in to diamonds as they repeat the latest excuses for obvious doping with an earnestness that would give Captain Picard a headache from the resulting facepalm.

At least the Armstrong homers can say they were unaware of how dirty the sport is.

 

[horsinabout]

There's precious little critical perception on either 'side', Cimber. Certainly not in here.

Look, here we have a thread because someone is now totally disillusioned.

After Sky win one GT.

They survived the Indurain years as Lemond went out the back like a sunday rider.

They held on as fat arses like Riis mocked true goats.

They hung on as Pantani withered and died in front of our eyes.

Hell, they even held on for seven, read that again, seven friggin Armstrong years, plus one more for his once apostle.

Some of us held on as all OUR riders of note turned out to be men with feet of clay - Kelly, Roche...

And didn't bat an eye lid as Contador got a Royal oardon form the stench of Puerto...

But SKY? Of dear god, we can't bear it, it's unprecedented in its awfulness, this time, THIS TIME, I can take no more!! Lance was an amateur to these b***tards. Roche just a canny Irishman, Indurain a saint. Riis was just a big cuddly viking. Pantani may as well have been water and the power of prayer.

But this, BUT THIS, we cannot, cannot bear.

yeah, absolutely...

Now, do Sky dope? I don't know. And nobody in here does.

Some like to think they know, on both sides. but they don't.

If they are, I pray they are caught soon, and we never, ever see any of them ever again - hopefully because they are all doing jail time.

But the recent hysterics in here? On both sides? Damn little to do with doping.

Just look at the relative pity and near sympathy a sh!thead like Ricco gets. "oh, he's just an easy target" "oh, you only talk about him because he's not an anglo" "oh, he's a scapegoat" - no, he's a f***ing doper with no remorse who nearly killed himself in the attempt. No more. And no less.

The truth? A lot of people in here, on both sides, just want to be 'the cool kids' - they pick their sides based on how it makes them feel, not on pesky things like facts, evidence, logic or research.

Seriously. Froome breaks from Tejay, and there's meltdown. Tejay. It ain't friggin Mercx we're talking, it's a good up and coming american who might just make it.

Porte kicks with 2km to go having sucked Tejay's wheel, and the mushroom cloud is visible from Ospidale.

"I cannae take anymore, Capt'n!! It's EVILLLL! I am TOTALLY disilussioned".

Nope, guys. I think you'll find, on both sides, your illusions are functioning just fine, thanks very much...

Go and have a lie down .....your starting to rant again.

 

[Granville57]

The way the Skybots breathlessly repeat the PR machine's talking points has, perhaps, made me even more cynical.

What the...

 

[Franklin]

The amount of rubbish around Leinders is enough to toss Brailsford out of the sport (and yes, Wiggins once was very focally agreeing with that notion).

We could also look at the blatant breaking of his own "zero-policy" mantra. The firing that happened is just ridiculous. Anyone maintaining that Mr. Knaven and Mr. Arvesen never had anything to do with doping is either clinically insane or just telling lies.

This sport doesn't need a guy like Dave Brailsford. The damage has been big enough already.

 

[Big Doopie]

There's precious little critical perception on either 'side', Cimber. Certainly not in here.

Look, here we have a thread because someone is now totally disillusioned.

After Sky win one GT.

They survived the Indurain years as Lemond went out the back like a sunday rider.

They held on as fat arses like Riis mocked true goats.

They hung on as Pantani withered and died in front of our eyes.

Hell, they even held on for seven, read that again, seven friggin Armstrong years, plus one more for his once apostle.

Some of us held on as all OUR riders of note turned out to be men with feet of clay - Kelly, Roche...

And didn't bat an eye lid as Contador got a Royal oardon form the stench of Puerto...

But SKY? Of dear god, we can't bear it, it's unprecedented in its awfulness, this time, THIS TIME, I can take no more!! Lance was an amateur to these b***tards. Roche just a canny Irishman, Indurain a saint. Riis was just a big cuddly viking. Pantani may as well have been water and the power of prayer.

But this, BUT THIS, we cannot, cannot bear.

yeah, absolutely...

Now, do Sky dope? I don't know. And nobody in here does.

Some like to think they know, on both sides. but they don't.

If they are, I pray they are caught soon, and we never, ever see any of them ever again - hopefully because they are all doing jail time.

But the recent hysterics in here? On both sides? Damn little to do with doping.

Just look at the relative pity and near sympathy a sh!thead like Ricco gets. "oh, he's just an easy target" "oh, you only talk about him because he's not an anglo" "oh, he's a scapegoat" - no, he's a f***ing doper with no remorse who nearly killed himself in the attempt. No more. And no less.

The truth? A lot of people in here, on both sides, just want to be 'the cool kids' - they pick their sides based on how it makes them feel, not on pesky things like facts, evidence, logic or research.

Seriously. Froome breaks from Tejay, and there's meltdown. Tejay. It ain't friggin Mercx we're talking, it's a good up and coming american who might just make it.

Porte kicks with 2km to go having sucked Tejay's wheel, and the mushroom cloud is visible from Ospidale.

"I cannae take anymore, Capt'n!! It's EVILLLL! I am TOTALLY disilussioned".

Nope, guys. I think you'll find, on both sides, your illusions are functioning just fine, thanks very much...

Excellent post. But will people read the whole thing or jump to conclusions after the first few sentences?

 

[blackcat]

Silly question.

Bilharzia is obviously highly communicable.

And, Froome is a snail.

Can I catch Bilharzia from someone infected?

No - unless you are a snail !
Schistosomes must alternate between humans and snails to complete their life cycle. This means that Bilharzia can only caught from snails.

Dave.

but Dave, Froome and Richie are gourmands. They luv their escargot in a cote d'azur three michelin star restaurant.

escargot, tastes like mussels, but with bilharzia.

 

[Dear Wiggo]

If it's like that, how hard is it to pull another someone out of Canberra and put them on 80k a year to deliver better-than-doping gains?

BMC even have a high performance division under Peiper, maybe one day they will find someone with the talent of Kerrison to make the expense worthwhile.

As soon as Alan learns to swim, look for BMC dominance.

 

[Mrs John Murphy]

The worst part of the current situation is the deja vu. It is watching the low bandwidth types turn dogsh!t in to diamonds as they repeat the latest excuses for obvious doping with an earnestness that would give Captain Picard a headache from the resulting facepalm.

At least the Armstrong homers can say they were unaware of how dirty the sport is.

History repeats itself. The first time as tragedy and the second time as farce. (Karl Marx)

 

[peloton]

The worst thing about Sky is that, for me, they are almost single-handedly destroying what little credibility cycling had regained in the last 5 years. They've made everything suspect and tainted, like it was in the worst days of the EPO era. Whether I like it or not, they've changed the way I look at cycling and made it a lot more cynical - and it wasn't exactly all sugar and spice to begin with.

This.

The BP is fool proof, yeah, good one Pat, when the Sky riders have been tested once at training camps.
F*cked up

 

[blackcat]

History repeats itself. The first time as tragedy and the second time as farce. (Karl Marx)

we need a new aphorism MJM.

We have hit the fourth time.


what is third time? what is fourth time. some eloquence from George W Bush perhaps, would be felicitous.

 

[Dear Wiggo]

I'm not sure i see the connection here, Ferminal. Kerrison's personal rep in Australian swimming was pretty stellar before he ever went near a bike.

How on earth does a lawyer in Ireland know anything about a swimming coach from antipodes, when there is NOTHING (or close enough) published about his ability or results, (I've looked) other than a brief mention in a chapter from a book on Australian swimming stories, where Jodie Henry is stronger in 2004 than she's ever been, since 1998, and Kerrison is there as part of the coaching team.

He is also labeled "former sports scientist" in the Swim coach bible.



Please, if you care, humour us with your sources on his skills, palmares or "personal rep"

 

[Clausfarre]

Have they even publicly discussed their relationship with suspicious staff like Geert Leinders?

My disillusionment is mostly due to the amount of circumstancial evidence that is piling up these years to indicate if not directly proof that the peloton is far from being even remotely clean.

The sooner a scandal breaks, the better. We don't need another 7 years of a Supertrain doing super things.

 

[blackcat]

How on earth does a lawyer in Ireland know anything about a swimming coach from antipodes, when there is NOTHING (or close enough) published about his ability or results, (I've looked) other than a brief mention in a chapter from a book on Australian swimming stories, where Jodie Henry is stronger in 2004 than she's ever been, since 1998, and Kerrison is there as part of the coaching team.

He is also labeled "former sports scientist" in the Swim coach bible.



Please, if you care, humour us with your sources on his skills, palmares or "personal rep"

Aus Swimming = NOT normal.

 

[martinvickers]

How on earth does a lawyer in Ireland know anything about a swimming coach from antipodes, when there is NOTHING (or close enough) published about his ability or results, (I've looked) other than a brief mention in a chapter from a book on Australian swimming stories, where Jodie Henry is stronger in 2004 than she's ever been, since 1998, and Kerrison is there as part of the coaching team.

He is also labeled "former sports scientist" in the Swim coach bible.



Please, if you care, humour us with your sources on his skills, palmares or "personal rep"

Well, i know for starters, he's not a coach as such.

 

[peloton]

The only hope I have left, is that some riders will call the UCI hotline, and make it public. Very unlikely though.
UCI will tell Sky to tone it down a bit, instead of rigorous tests for the riders.
Fool proof BP after all.


Sickening.

 

[Dear Wiggo]

Aus Swimming = NOT normal.

Couldn't agree more. Just makes me laugh when people post utter drivel with no source or citation. Personal rep. That's not professional rep, is it? It's the personal rep. He is a nice person. Interviews very poorly. Probably never see him interviewed again, unless reading from a teleprompter on a BSkyB special, ala Brad "I never raced with him, he's my hero" Wiggins.

 

[blackcat]

Couldn't agree more. Just makes me laugh when people post utter drivel with no source or citation. Personal rep. That's not professional rep, is it? It's the personal rep. He is a nice person. Interviews very poorly. Probably never see him interviewed again, unless reading from a teleprompter on a BSkyB special, ala Brad "I never raced with him, he's my hero" Wiggins.

your utter bull$hit wont work on me Smear Wiggo


/sarcasm

 

[sittingbison]

OK you two (you know who you are), stop snarking at each other. Concentrate on the message not the messenger.

cheers
bison

 

[The Hitch]

The only hope I have left, is that some riders will call the UCI hotline, and make it public. Very unlikely though.
UCI will tell Sky to tone it down a bit, instead of rigorous tests for the riders.
Fool proof BP after all.


Sickening.

Ah, the hotline, reminds me of the cartoon take on it from that online cycling site

Ricco: hello, is this doping hotline, i want to win grand fondo but Di Luca enter too
Mcquaid: hello, is that you Ricco. Hang up the phone you gob****e this is a UCI publicity stunt

 

[hiero2]

History repeats itself. The first time as tragedy and the second time as farce. (Karl Marx)

we need a new aphorism MJM.
. . .some eloquence from George W Bush perhaps, would be felicitous.

. . ./sarcasm

Omfg. I'm laughing, I'm laughing. From Mr. Marx, a king of reality-think, to Bush the 2nd, another king of reality-think - but of a completely different stripe. What a long way that one went! And to top it off, an admittance of sarcasm? Wow, I found this an entertaining read!

But, yeah, guys, I can't follow all the snark, but we are getting complaints.

 

[D-Queued]

Ah, the hotline, reminds me of the cartoon take on it from that cycling magazine

Ricco: hello, is this doping hotline, i want to win grand fondo but Di Luca enter too
Mcquaid: hello, is that you Ricco. Hang up the phone you gob****e this is a UCI publicity stunt

Missed that... very funny!!!

Dave.