Froome didn't look too bothered. Roglic paid for yesterday by the looks of it. Better ride by Bardet but not by Landa.
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So Thomas blew on the climb and took no risks in the final downhill
No. Thomas already lost 15 s on the final climb alone, that's when they showed the GPS graphics with virtual GC and Dumo was suddenly at 2'00 instead of 2'20Red Rick said:
So Thomas blew on the climb and took no risks in the final downhill
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get a grip.
if you knew the traditional history of GT winners you would know that this is the mold.
thomazeau (french cycling expert on cycling podcast) even specifically pointed out that dumo is the prototype of TDF winner.
it is actually traditionally/historically rare for a pure climber to do much more than Bardet did (top ten) with more bad days likely than the real GC riders. pure climbers do not digest the succession of stages as well. especially those first nine flat stages, it wears out their climbing legs much more than the power riders. that is simply a fact.
they should put some mountain stages in the first weekend (as they did in 1977!) and yet an all-rounder (Thevenet) still won. LOL!!
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get a grip.
if you knew the traditional history of GT winners you would know that this is the mold.
thomazeau (french cycling expert on cycling podcast) even specifically pointed out that dumo is the prototype of TDF winner.
it is actually traditionally/historically rare for a pure climber to do much more than Bardet did (top ten) with more bad days likely than the real GC riders. pure climbers do not digest the succession of stages as well. especially those first nine flat stages, it wears out their climbing legs much more than the power riders. that is simply a fact.
they should put some mountain stages in the first weekend (as they did in 1977!) and yet an all-rounder (Thevenet) still won. LOL!!
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This is true. The GPS showing virtual GC displayed that Thomas was only 2.01 ahead of Dumoulin as he was climbing the last hill.Dekker_Tifosi said:
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He looked a bit tired (went out too hard, I think) and clearly lost some time to Dumoulin, then he plainly sat up.Brullnux said:
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He was probably getting tired after a very fast start but also switched off towards the finish on the downhills.
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He was probably getting tired after a very fast start but also switched off towards the finish on the downhills.
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bingo - caught exactly the same graphic and noted it above. thomas was struggling hard on the hill and virtual GC was already showing that dumo had slipped ahead on the stage.
maybe he slowed up when he realized that he would not win the stage...
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bingo - caught exactly the same graphic and noted it above. thomas was struggling hard on the hill and virtual GC was already showing that dumo had slipped ahead on the stage.
maybe he slowed up when he realized that he would not win the stage...
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Dude beat Froome and Thomas in a time trial after 2 super hard GT's. I think he has right to be happyrick james said:
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I mean, it's totally true though? They've constructed Tours with little to no TT km and yet freaking Geraint Thomas wins, followed by three other TTers. The reason big guys won it in the past was because they had 80km of time trials. And is your theory about pure climbers having bad days true? Or just a theory? Quintana when he was good had very few bad days, less than Froome. Nibali at his best didn't have very many. Dumoulin has one or two per GT. Contador didn't have many either, sometimes none at all.Big Doopie said:
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Touch of paranoia here. It is clear to see on the coverage that the on-screen clock for Froome stopped before he reached the line.
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Touch of paranoia here. It is clear to see on the coverage that the on-screen clock for Froome stopped before he reached the line.
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Personally, I did think Froome's time had stopped 10 or 20m before the finish line.hfer07 said:
I can list pure climbers on one had that won Tour going back to 70s. Tour de France is not a climbers race whatever the number of TT km.
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So the timing on a TdF time trial goes awry and this is proof of a pro-Sky conspiracy? Rather than, you know, what happens every single time...hfer07 said:
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true. not a theory.
of course there are a few exceptions (e.g. Van Impe in 1976, but he could TT pretty well).
traditionally pure climbers do not have the body type to deal with the succession of wear and tear that a three week GT does. Pure climbers like Fuente, Herrera, Bardet, Martin etc. can often be counted on to have more bad days at some point. but also the reason that they are often not as attacking and sharp in the mountain stages as we expect, because they get worn down by riding big bracket on the flat much more than the power guys.
hinault, merckx, etc... used to take advantage of exactly that and wore them down.
this is not my theory, this is well, well known in pro peleton.
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true. not a theory.
of course there are a few exceptions (e.g. Van Impe in 1976, but he could TT pretty well).
traditionally pure climbers do not have the body type to deal with the succession of wear and tear that a three week GT does. Pure climbers like Fuente, Herrera, Bardet, Martin etc. can often be counted on to have more bad days at some point. but also the reason that they are often not as attacking and sharp in the mountain stages as we expect, because they get worn down by riding big bracket on the flat much more than the power guys.
hinault, merckx, etc... used to take advantage of exactly that and wore them down.
this is not my theory, this is well, well known in pro peleton.
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As I see it it's a combination of all of the factors you mentioned:
Thomas went out too hard and paid the price on the hill at the end. When he slipped behind Dumoulin and Portal told him he took it easy and safe. He knew that he won't be able to finish ahead of Tom so why pushing? Overall win was in the pocket anyway.
Thomas went out too hard and paid the price on the hill at the end. When he slipped behind Dumoulin and Portal told him he took it easy and safe. He knew that he won't be able to finish ahead of Tom so why pushing? Overall win was in the pocket anyway.
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