Tour de France 2015 Stage 9: Vannes-Plumelec 28 km TTT

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staubsauger said:
TheGreenMonkey said:
Poels failed if he was meant to be the fifth rider not Roche. Roche did very well to hang on for as long as he did if they gave him extra work earlier because they expected him to drop, I certainly did not expect him to be in the final five looking at the nine riders
Roche literally saved them not cost them in that case!
Pretty much, yeah if Roche was stronger they would've won, but Roche wasn't expected to do better, if they wanted that they would've brought another TT specialist. By staying with the others longer than expected he put Froome in a great position, even if they didn't win the TTT.
 
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staubsauger said:
Publicus said:
Pricey_sky said:
pedromiguelmartins said:
Contador is getting those legs ready... He was in beast mode on that climb. All that no-racing in June, besides putting Quintana on his place, is paying off.

One rest day and he will glue himself to Froome's wheel until 2Km to go, until he does what he did at the Vuelta.

Difference now though is Froome doesn't need time, he has the jersey.

Froome will obviously attack, but I hope if he doesn't drop his rivals he just sits up and let's someone else have a go and he can follow wheels. They have to drop Froome after all.
I don't know that I've ever seen Froome ride smart with a GT lead. That's his only problem. He's the strongest and that's how he rides. There's a real risk he tries to respond to too many attacks and blows himself (I don't know that any one rider can blow him up).
Did you actually watch the Vuelta and Hazallanas?
I actually did. Did Froome win the Vuelta and I wasn't looking? :confused: :confused:
 
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Walkman said:
Miburo said:
Ah there we go people are overrating tj again. Not 1 mountain done in the tour and he's already on the podium.

It's always the same with tj in this forum.
As if he is the one getting overrated too much. Contador won the "Who will win the Tour-poll"…
Those polls most often show what people wish for. So just show that Berto is more loved.
 
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Big Doopie said:
pedromiguelmartins said:
One rest day and he will glue himself to Froome's wheel until 2Km to go, until he does what he did at the Vuelta.
I wonder why everyone always assumes CoNtador benefits disproportionally from rest days...?

:D
Because all things being equal he has better recovery than any other GC rider currently in the peloton.
 
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Miburo said:
Ah there we go people are overrating tj again. Not 1 mountain done in the tour and he's already on the podium.

It's always the same with tj in this forum.
He looked really good at the Dauphine, maybe people are basing their expectations off of that?
 
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LaFlorecita said:
pedromiguelmartins said:
Contador is getting those legs ready... He was in best mode on that climb. All that no-racing in June, besides putting Quintana on his place, is paying off.

One rest day and he will glue himself to Froome's wheel until 2Km to go, until he does what he did at the Vuelta.
Indeed.... :)
No offense but this is exactly how I remember the 2013 Tour with constant optimism for Contador's chances coming from pictures and videos of how he looked despite the fact that he was losing time on several stages.
 
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Walkman said:
Miburo said:
Ah there we go people are overrating tj again. Not 1 mountain done in the tour and he's already on the podium.

It's always the same with tj in this forum.
As if he is the one getting overrated too much. Contador won the "Who will win the Tour-poll"…
And Contador was 3rd or 4th favorite among oddsmakers.

I don't get it. All the vitriol towards Froome, Contador, Nibali by people. Froome is flying, Contador is looking very strong (much much stronger than 2013), Nairo looks scary and no one knows how good he will be. Tejay looks great.


Any writing off of those guys at this point is overzealous fans of one rider or the other. Froome is in the drivers seat, but no one is unbeatable at this point.
 
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Rollthedice said:
Froome talks on the radio again while doing full effort. Mutant.
Roche was hanging on the back, rocking and rolling all over the place and Froome is talking on the radio like it's a Sunday afternoon ride. Froome had just done a big turn on the front as well.
 
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Publicus said:
Big Doopie said:
pedromiguelmartins said:
One rest day and he will glue himself to Froome's wheel until 2Km to go, until he does what he did at the Vuelta.
I wonder why everyone always assumes CoNtador benefits disproportionally from rest days...?

:D
Because all things being equal he has better recovery than any other GC rider currently in the peloton.
Does he really? I know he's the most consistent and successful GC rider since he who should not be named, but is his recovery anything special?

In the Giro he was not even in the top 5 strongest riders on the final stage. Now this could have been because his peak was already gone so he could peak for the TDF, but still it has some meaning.

Back in 2011 he seemed easily in control, only to struggle to hang onto Schleck and almost losing time to him in the TT, a discipline he should have crushed him in.

In many of his other Giro/TDF wins he wasn't even close to being challenged in the final week, having already won the GC by then.

The only GT he's every shown a great last week was the Vuelta, but that's a different animal. It's after a long season, where most riders already have a GT in their legs, and his last two wins came after a suspension or an aborted TDF, meaning he was still coming into form at the start of the Vuelta, forcing him to get better later on, and having a lot less wear and tear from training and racing in his legs.

All in all I don't believe Contador is anything special when it comes to recovery. He's an exceptional climber and a solid time trialist, who's great in hilly time trials. But if you want someone with great recovery look at Hesjedal, who was great this Giro, and won his only GT in the last week as well.
 
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Publicus said:
Big Doopie said:
pedromiguelmartins said:
One rest day and he will glue himself to Froome's wheel until 2Km to go, until he does what he did at the Vuelta.
I wonder why everyone always assumes CoNtador benefits disproportionally from rest days...?

:D
Because all things being equal he has better recovery than any other GC rider currently in the peloton.
All things aren't equal though because of riding the Giro
 
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Miburo said:
Ah there we go people are overrating tj again. Not 1 mountain done in the tour and he's already on the podium.

It's always the same with tj in this forum.
I've always felt that expectations were too high for TJ by many on this forum, and indeed in the Dauphine I thought his closeness to Froome in the mountains was more a sign that Froome wasn't in the best form rather than TJ being in really good form. But I'm starting to second guess that... Tejay is coming into his prime as a rider, and has steadily improved in terms of consistency and staying power on the climbs. I'm interested to see what will happen in the next two weeks - I still think he doesn't have enough to finish higher than any of the 'big 4' by Paris, but I'm definitely not as certain as I was of that a few weeks ago.
 
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Cimber said:
Walkman said:
Miburo said:
Ah there we go people are overrating tj again. Not 1 mountain done in the tour and he's already on the podium.

It's always the same with tj in this forum.
As if he is the one getting overrated too much. Contador won the "Who will win the Tour-poll"…
Those polls most often show what people wish for. So just show that Berto is more loved.
This doesn't mean one mustn't make fun of their wishful thinkings. Wishful thinkings coming from july users get ridiculed constantly TBH
 
Côte de Cadoudal times :

1. BMC
2. Lampre (2")
3. Movistar (3")
4. Tinkoff-Saxo (3")
5. Sky (6")
6. Astana (8")
7. Team Lotto-Jumbo (9")
8. IAM Cycling (11")
9. AG2R La Mondiale (11")
10. Trek Factory Racing (11")
11. FDJ (13")
12. Team Europcar (13")
13. MTN-Qhubeka (14")
14. Etixx - Quick Step (18")
15. Cannondale-Garmin (19")
16. Bora-Argon 18 (20")
17. Lotto-Soudal (20")
18. Bretagne-Séché (22")
19. Team Katusha (24")
20. Team Giant-Alpecin (27")
21. Cofidis (29")
22. Orica-GreenEDGE (30")
 
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LaFlorecita said:
Walkman said:
Miburo said:
Ah there we go people are overrating tj again. Not 1 mountain done in the tour and he's already on the podium.

It's always the same with tj in this forum.
As if he is the one getting overrated too much. Contador won the "Who will win the Tour-poll"…
What did Contador do to you?
You know... there's a possibility that a users making a suchlike statement mght have nothing against Contador ;)
 
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Ramira said:
Publicus said:
Big Doopie said:
pedromiguelmartins said:
One rest day and he will glue himself to Froome's wheel until 2Km to go, until he does what he did at the Vuelta.
I wonder why everyone always assumes CoNtador benefits disproportionally from rest days...?

:D
Because all things being equal he has better recovery than any other GC rider currently in the peloton.
Does he really? I know he's the most consistent and successful GC rider since he who should not be named, but is his recovery anything special?

In the Giro he was not even in the top 5 strongest riders on the final stage. Now this could have been because his peak was already gone so he could peak for the TDF, but still it has some meaning.

Back in 2011 he seemed easily in control, only to struggle to hang onto Schleck and almost losing time to him in the TT, a discipline he should have crushed him in.

In many of his other Giro/TDF wins he wasn't even close to being challenged in the final week, having already won the GC by then.

The only GT he's every shown a great last week was the Vuelta, but that's a different animal. It's after a long season, where most riders already have a GT in their legs, and his last two wins came after a suspension or an aborted TDF, meaning he was still coming into form at the start of the Vuelta, forcing him to get better later on, and having a lot less wear and tear from training and racing in his legs.

All in all I don't believe Contador is anything special when it comes to recovery. He's an exceptional climber and a solid time trialist, who's great in hilly time trials. But if you want someone with great recovery look at Hesjedal, who was great this Giro, and won his only GT in the last week as well.
Yes really. And I disagree with your views here. Looking at the 2015 Giro, in isolation is simply wrong in light of his 2015 goals. He's at the 2015 TdF and looking solid for a podium position. Not sure how you conclude Hesjedal has great recovery. He finished 10'41 back on Contador at the Giro. Three weeks later he lost the Route du Sud to Contador. He was 35' down on GC going in to today's stage. Yes, I can see how you conclude he has better recovery than Contador. :rolleyes:
 
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Ataraxus said:
LaFlorecita said:
Walkman said:
As if he is the one getting overrated too much. Contador won the "Who will win the Tour-poll"…
What did Contador do to you?
You know... there's a possibility that a users making a suchlike statement mght have nothing against Contador ;)
You are right of course... It is that post combined with the posting history of Walkman that makes me wonder ;)
 
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Springveldt said:
sir fly said:
Froome will have to be careful who to mark.
I doubt he will mark anyone, I'd bet he is the first of the big 4 to attack on Tuesday.
I think we'll see a classic Sky train launchpad on Tuesday. They just want to kill this off.

Whether someone else jumps before Froome or not is something we'll have to wait and see. That might honestly be the best way to disrupt them.
 
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Eclipse said:
Springveldt said:
sir fly said:
Froome will have to be careful who to mark.
I doubt he will mark anyone, I'd bet he is the first of the big 4 to attack on Tuesday.
I think we'll see a classic Sky train launchpad on Tuesday. They just want to kill this off.

Whether someone else jumps before Froome or not is something we'll have to wait and see. That might honestly be the best way to disrupt them.
Nairitoooooooooooooo!!
 
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Ataraxus said:
LaFlorecita said:
Walkman said:
Miburo said:
Ah there we go people are overrating tj again. Not 1 mountain done in the tour and he's already on the podium.

It's always the same with tj in this forum.
As if he is the one getting overrated too much. Contador won the "Who will win the Tour-poll"…
What did Contador do to you?
You know... there's a possibility that a users making a suchlike statement mght have nothing against Contador ;)
This isn't the only time it's come up.
 
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I think we are in for some great racing the next weeks. Nibali, Quintana, Uran and Conta will all need to attack. TG will try all to stay there.

Chapeau to Roche, he left it all out there for the team.
 

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