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Tour de France 2017 Stage 15: Laissac-l'Église - LePuy

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rick james said:
Moviefan1203 said:
It's been a really hard raced Tour this year. Everyone is tired.
Nope, just mostly bored from the sprint stages
Did the sprint stages bore you so much that you just slept through the whole of week 2? It's been some fantastic racing between the rest days, and if it continues like this next week it'll go down as one of the Tours to be remembered for decades.
 
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Leinster said:
rick james said:
Moviefan1203 said:
It's been a really hard raced Tour this year. Everyone is tired.
Nope, just mostly bored from the sprint stages
Did the sprint stages bore you so much that you just slept through the whole of week 2? It's been some fantastic racing between the rest days, and if it continues like this next week it'll go down as one of the Tours to be remembered for decades.
Really? There's been like two or three, max four, good stages out of 15. There are only two more with any potential.
 
It seemed to be too good a chance to miss for Bardet, but it's easy to speak with the benefit of hindsight. It seemed highly optimistic to expect that by using doms to pace all the way up a 1st category climb that they could hold a 40 second lead on Froome. Aru may well not have had the legs, but Martin and Duran Duran seemed pretty strong. Bardet did roll the dice, but by that time, Froome had returned to the group. It was worth rolling the dice a little bit earlier, see who can follow and form an alliance of convenience. Apart from Landa, Froome might have support from other guys, but those would have been the guys that couldn't (or didn't for some reason) follow Bardet. AG2R could have pulled their guy back from the break and there was a reasonable chance that the resulting group of attackers would be at least as strong as the chasers.

However, if as Martin says, they were all in the red, it's all academic, you just can't pedal any faster. I think that at least Bardet and Duran Duran had a little bit extra in the tank though, given the later attack by Bardet and Rigo's response.
 
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Bardet et al went 6W/kg almost 23 mins, Froome 6.2W/kg...so all the speculation is indeed academic or falls into the category of "they just would have to put 6.1W/kg" or simply pedaling harder.
 
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Netserk said:
Bardet in the last week in an actual mountain stage, without drafting: https://twitter.com/ammattipyoraily/status/759141251925049344
And with 30kms of rolling terrain to the finish?

Netserk said:
Yeah, I'm sure none of the Tour contenders could climb faster than Vuillermoz.

I'm sure if they could climb faster by enough to attack Vuillermoz, there would've been more than just the GC contenders left in the group. Vuillermoz' finish line was the summit of Peyra Taillade. The rest of the group needed to get all the way to Puy en Velay. But yeah, AV might well be a better climber than Nairo Quintana, but still slow enough that Martin and Uran should have attacked him.
 
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Leinster said:
Netserk said:
Bardet in the last week in an actual mountain stage, without drafting: https://twitter.com/ammattipyoraily/status/759141251925049344
And with 30kms of rolling terrain to the finish?
That's what Bakelants (and Van Baarle) were for.

Still though, you try and see if doing it creates a race situation where you find cooperation. If you can't keep it up for the whole 30 km, at least you tried to win the frickin' Tour.
 
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miguelindurain111 said:
Yeah you can put over 6W/kg for ~23 mins if you really want to :lol:
Over 23 minutes GC contenders should be able to do it. Not over 40 minutes. That's another thing.
And they were. They put 6.02W/kg :lol: And by Martin they were on their limit...probably at least partly due to accumulated fatigue.
 
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Dekker_Tifosi said:
miguelindurain111 said:
Yeah you can put over 6W/kg for ~23 mins if you really want to :lol:
6.2 w/kg from Froome on 23 mins isn't even that weird.

Dumoulin went 6,5 on a similar effort on Oropa. Aru went 6,5 earlier this tour on similar length effort.

6,2 w/kg on a 40 min or 1h effort would be insane however
Not really... would be amazing, not insane. Porte did 6.3 w/kg in paris nice. Quintana did 6.25 w/kg in terminillo but these performances were made in 40 minutes. In 1 hour climbs like stelvio would be ridiculous and truly suspicious.
 
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miguelindurain111 said:
Forever The Best said:
He is probably a troll. Just ignore him. :eek:

Why don't you just say that you disagree with me?
The point has been made countless times.

hrotha said:
Me: "Riders say the darndest things"
You: "But Dan Martin said this!"
K?

Whatever Dan Martin wants to say, it doesn't trump what I saw with my own eyes.

hrotha said:
Riders always say they're on their limit, even when they're strolling around in a 100-strong group. The simple fact is that AG2R was happy to let Gautier or whoever do the pacing for a long while, and to save Vuillermoz for later. You'll notice that, when Vuillermoz finally started to pull (too little, too late), the pace did go up, so there goes the theory.

portugal11 said:
Dekker_Tifosi said:
6.2 w/kg from Froome on 23 mins isn't even that weird.

Dumoulin went 6,5 on a similar effort on Oropa. Aru went 6,5 earlier this tour on similar length effort.

6,2 w/kg on a 40 min or 1h effort would be insane however
Not really... would be amazing, not insane. Porte did 6.3 w/kg in paris nice. Quintana did 6.25 w/kg in terminillo but these performances were made in 40 minutes. In 1 hour climbs like stelvio would be ridiculous and truly suspicious.
 

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