Tour de France 2017 Stage 20:Marseille > Marseille22.5KM

[Dekker_Tifosi]

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Rabo has always had a pretty interesting TT-history......

They had crazy highs and lows in last few years.

Rasmussen 2006 and 2007 is like the biggest gap in two time trial in the history.
Menchov won the Giro in that crazy TT, but almost lost it in the end, then whole team crashed in 2009 Tour TTT.
Menchov again being insane on 2010 Tour.
Also, we have the ridiculous bike fail on 2014 Tour followed by Roglic winning his 1st non-prologue TT in the freaking Giro without training for a long TT or something like that.
And, they failed to provide Roglic a proper bike today to finish up, I am pretty sure I am missing a few high and lowlights.

Gesink losing the Tour de Suisse to freaking Frank Schleck in a time trial was a low.
Then 2 years later he wins the Tour of California mostly thanks to a great TT (and Mt Baldy), surprising many.

 

[RedheadDane]

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Rabo has always had a pretty interesting TT-history......

They had crazy highs and lows in last few years.

Rasmussen 2006 and 2007 is like the biggest gap in two time trial in the history.
Menchov won the Giro in that crazy TT, but almost lost it in the end, then whole team crashed in 2009 Tour TTT.
Menchov again being insane on 2010 Tour.
Also, we have the ridiculous bike fail on 2014 Tour followed by Roglic winning his 1st non-prologue TT in the freaking Giro without training for a long TT or something like that.
And, they failed to provide Roglic a proper bike today to finish up, I am pretty sure I am missing a few high and lowlights.

You mean 2005, right? That was the year of his horror ITT.

 

[staubsauger]

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Rabo has always had a pretty interesting TT-history......

They had crazy highs and lows in last few years.

Rasmussen 2006 and 2007 is like the biggest gap in two time trial in the history.
Menchov won the Giro in that crazy TT, but almost lost it in the end, then whole team crashed in 2009 Tour TTT.
Menchov again being insane on 2010 Tour.
Also, we have the ridiculous bike fail on 2014 Tour followed by Roglic winning his 1st non-prologue TT in the freaking Giro without training for a long TT or something like that.
And, they failed to provide Roglic a proper bike today to finish up, I am pretty sure I am missing a few high and lowlights.

Gesink losing the Tour de Suisse to freaking Frank Schleck in a time trial was a low.
Then 2 years later he wins the Tour of California mostly thanks to a great TT (and Mt Baldy), surprising many.

Imagine if it wasn't for Schleck doing the TT of his life, then Lance Armstrong would've won that Tour de Suisse!

Kruijswijk at Alpe di Susi would be another height. The performance of Mollema at the last TT of the 2014 Tour was an all time low. Only beaten by Rasmussen 2005, because that's out of competition.

 

[Benotti69]

Thomas De Gendt‏ @DeGendtThomas 3 hours ago

The public vote is worth more to me than the vote of 6 jurymembers.

 

[Nadalina]

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Btw Roglic only had 1 gear in the first part of the time trial.

How can this happen? They sure check the bikes before the start, don't they. Or did he crash into a barrier or something like that?

Beats me. No crash, he kept riding until the climb, he changed bikes there.

He was checking the course before the race with that same bike and everything was fine. Also, for the first 500 m of his TT it had been working normally, then suddenly a blockage happened. He was pretty dissapointed as his legs felt good and didn't even ride full gas after the failure.

 

[Escarabajo]

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Big question is what was Uran doing the past two years?

Who?

There is a thread about him.
He has been climbing decent last two years. His TT just went downhill with Cannondale. Until today. He was close in winning a classic last year. And in 2017 he has climbed with the best in all races.

 

[jaylew]

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I won't leave it there, since you are lying.

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Well, DT is still right. He only mentioned him in 9 of 20 stages

Assuming he used his full last name each time, that is.

 

[Escarabajo]

So Roglic had a gear issue? He and Uran seemed to have had similar issues at this Tour. Remember the gear issue Uran had when he oust printed Barguil in one of the mtn stages? Perhaps it's because they both ride with low gears. Or was it simply the team mechanics that dropped the ball? Whatever the case may be, Roglic still put in a respectable ride. How much time did he lose in retrospect? Somewhere between 15-30 seconds? Or is 30 seconds exaggerating? Less? More? The feed that i watched only showed him being pushed by his mechanic, but they didn't show him changing bikes or whatever else the team did.

Uran's issue was caused by Porte's crash.

 

[jaylew]

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Bardet has to stick with Landa at the finish tomorrow so that there are no time splits in the peloton at the finish. One second due to a split at the finish can easily happen. Not likely, but it's still possible.

Good point. There are almost guaranteed to be splits in the sprint. If Sky makes a concerted effort to make sure Landa is in the front end of any gaps, it could happen.

 

[Poursuivant]

Chuffed for Bodnar.

 

[Tonton]

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Bardet has to stick with Landa at the finish tomorrow so that there are no time splits in the peloton at the finish. One second due to a split at the finish can easily happen. Not likely, but it's still possible.

Good point. There are almost guaranteed to be splits in the sprint. If Sky makes a concerted effort to make sure Landa is in the front end of any gaps, it could happen.

Very true.

And there always is one final option: the Vino option .

 

[Escarabajo]

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Landa sat up after cresting the climb in the TT for a few seconds, bet he regrets it now.

I noticed that as well. That was strange. But that's part of his performance. Maybe he was gasping for air after the climb.

 

[rick james]

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Man, that Contador ITT only gives me more delusions about what could've been.

Hmm, Contador is great at these time trials at this length. The big weakness is endurance, this performance is no surprise at all IMO.

that's a bit of a bummer in a 3 week race :lol:

 

[jmdirt]

All of the talk about the Castelli Vortex suit, but what about all of the knee-high aero boots?

Who's idea was it to leave an open storm drain in a corner?

 

[Tank Engine]

A Polish 1-2 I thought the climb would be too much for Bodnar. It's a shame that Roglic had a mechanial problem. Flowers has been monumentally strong in this tour.

In the end, the expected result. Froome was clearly stronger than the other GC contenders. Duran Duran had a very solid ride (apart from overcooking one of the last corners). Bardet's TT was a nightmare and he barely saved 3rd place.

 

[TMP402]

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Bardet has to stick with Landa at the finish tomorrow so that there are no time splits in the peloton at the finish. One second due to a split at the finish can easily happen. Not likely, but it's still possible.

Good point. There are almost guaranteed to be splits in the sprint. If Sky makes a concerted effort to make sure Landa is in the front end of any gaps, it could happen.

Very true.

And there always is one final option: the Vino option .

Three-second rule tomorrow, no?

 

[Ruby United]

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Bardet has to stick with Landa at the finish tomorrow so that there are no time splits in the peloton at the finish. One second due to a split at the finish can easily happen. Not likely, but it's still possible.

Good point. There are almost guaranteed to be splits in the sprint. If Sky makes a concerted effort to make sure Landa is in the front end of any gaps, it could happen.

Very true.

And there always is one final option: the Vino option .

Three-second rule tomorrow, no?

Sprint stage, so pretty sure 3 seconds.

 

[TMP402]

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Bardet has to stick with Landa at the finish tomorrow so that there are no time splits in the peloton at the finish. One second due to a split at the finish can easily happen. Not likely, but it's still possible.

Good point. There are almost guaranteed to be splits in the sprint. If Sky makes a concerted effort to make sure Landa is in the front end of any gaps, it could happen.

Very true.

And there always is one final option: the Vino option .

Three-second rule tomorrow, no?

Sprint stage, so pretty sure 3 seconds.

So if there are also no bonus seconds at the intermediate, it's Vino-style or nothing. Perhaps caught by the bunch and it's a photo finish for third place...

 

[The Barb]

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This time 6 years ago at 26, Chris Froome had the Anatomic Jock race and a 4th overall in the Herald Sun Tour on his palmares. Sky were offering his services to other teams. Now he is a 4 time tour winner of the tour. Has there ever been a more meteoric rise in the sport.

I can't think of anyone who has accomplished more while showing less prior to the age of 26.

Even Michelle Smith de Bruin's career record to the age of 26 showed more than Froome's, before she started obliterating the best swimmers in the world from 1995-1997.

Similarly, while Florence Griffith Joyner didn't give any indication that at age 29 she would start breaking records that still stand, she had at least won an individual silver medal at the '84 Olympics.

Froome is incredible.

 

[gregrowlerson]

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This time 6 years ago at 26, Chris Froome had the Anatomic Jock race and a 4th overall in the Herald Sun Tour on his palmares. Sky were offering his services to other teams. Now he is a 4 time tour winner of the tour. Has there ever been a more meteoric rise in the sport.

I can't think of anyone who has accomplished more while showing less prior to the age of 26.

Even Michelle Smith de Bruin's career record to the age of 26 showed more than Froome's, before she started obliterating the best swimmers in the world from 1995-1997.

Similarly, while Florence Griffith Joyner didn't give any indication that at age 29 she would start breaking records that still stand, she had at least won an individual silver medal at the '84 Olympics.

Froome is incredible.

But where do you make the cut-off point for showing what is supposedly obvious talent? 16? 18? 20? 22? 24? 26? Is there a huge difference between 26 and 24?

Not saying that Froome isn't incredible, but that many people seem to make their statements based on their dislike for the guy and his success. I've heard many declare this Tour to be as boring as the 2012 one. Seriously? That Tour had pretty much no good stages. Stage 9 was epic. Stage 12 was pretty good. Stage 13 was fantastic (though that could be my Contador fanboy speaking out). Even the crosswinds of stage 16 was interesting (though I didn't like it). Stage 17 was good. Stage 18 was disappointing.

To me, what most people didn't like about this Tour (parcours aside) was that Froome was again on his way to another victory. But the event itself, and many of the individual stages, were actually pretty good.

 

[Leinster]

I think a lot of people looked at the route and didn't like it. And then decided they didn't like anything that happened on it. I think anyone who actually went and watched the Tour without preconceptions would have enjoyed it. Froome isn't my favourite cyclist in the world, but there's no denying he earned his Tour win this year.

 

[Alexandre B.]

If Marseille ever wants to hold european/world championships, it could be a nice circuit.

 

[RedheadDane]

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Good point. There are almost guaranteed to be splits in the sprint. If Sky makes a concerted effort to make sure Landa is in the front end of any gaps, it could happen.

Very true.

And there always is one final option: the Vino option .

Three-second rule tomorrow, no?

Sprint stage, so pretty sure 3 seconds.

So if there are also no bonus seconds at the intermediate, it's Vino-style or nothing. Perhaps caught by the bunch and it's a photo finish for third place...

Or simply if there's splits in the peloton. Three-seconds rule is only for accidents, not when a rider simply can't keep up.

 

[Leinster]

3km rule is for accidents. 3s rule is to reduce accidents because too many GC riders were getting tangled up in sprints trying to avoid getting on the wrong side of just such splits and losing 20-30 seconds.

 

[RedheadDane]

Seconds... Ks... same-same...
Well, not exactly. I just read the "3" part...