Tour de France 2019

[Velolover2]

Banning power metres for a more authentic experience is good. But it wouldn't have any effect.

And Team Sky isn't a robotic unit. Someone like Geraint Thomas always look up when he rides.

 

[rehy90]

Lack of ITT kms is just a complete joke, it wont help Bardet anyway. And the banning of power meters wont help either, after all, USPS rode without them the Sky way all those years and they had no problem.

 

[kingjr]

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btw I also have to laugh at Preudhomme and ASO for their call on banning power meters. I can say with 100% certainty this will have 0,0 effect whatsoever. These guys are so trained on what effort to ride and how they really dont need to stare at their meters to do so.

If they think this will have any effect they are really as stupid as I thought they were

You know what's less precise than a power meter? Going by feeling alone.

It's not exactly difficult, you know.

 

[Kwibus]

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Banning power metres for a more authentic experience is good. But it wouldn't have any effect.

And Team Sky isn't a robotic unit. Someone like Geraint Thomas always look up when he rides.

Its an illusion that there will be big changes, but a rider doesnt have to ride like Froome to check its powermeter. I dont even think Froome looks at his powermeter everytime he looks down.

The question is why do they need to have power meters?

 

[May0maniac]

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Banning power metres for a more authentic experience is good. But it wouldn't have any effect.

And Team Sky isn't a robotic unit. Someone like Geraint Thomas always look up when he rides.

Its an illusion that there will be big changes, but a rider doesnt have to ride like Froome to check its powermeter. I dont even think Froome looks at his powermeter everytime he looks down.

The question is why do they need to have power meters?

Postal was more stop nd go than constantly grinding the same pace because that's what Lance prefered.
No powermeters won't affect the main guys, but it could affect the mmbers of th tran who are told to ride a certain wattage until they are cooked, no pm would make that a bit more difficult.

 

[Dekker_Tifosi]

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btw I also have to laugh at Preudhomme and ASO for their call on banning power meters. I can say with 100% certainty this will have 0,0 effect whatsoever. These guys are so trained on what effort to ride and how they really dont need to stare at their meters to do so.

If they think this will have any effect they are really as stupid as I thought they were

You know what's less precise than a power meter? Going by feeling alone.

It's not exactly difficult, you know.

Indeed. Dumoulin for instance never has his power meter on in races. He rides by feeling (just under what he feels like is his limit). It's very easy for most TT specialists

 

[tobydawq]

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Banning power metres for a more authentic experience is good. But it wouldn't have any effect.

And Team Sky isn't a robotic unit. Someone like Geraint Thomas always look up when he rides.

Its an illusion that there will be big changes, but a rider doesnt have to ride like Froome to check its powermeter. I dont even think Froome looks at his powermeter everytime he looks down.

The question is why do they need to have power meters?

Postal was more stop nd go than constantly grinding the same pace because that's what Lance prefered.
No powermeters won't affect the main guys, but it could affect the mmbers of th tran who are told to ride a certain wattage until they are cooked, no pm would make that a bit more difficult.

Exactly.

Although, probably LS will soon come in and write 20,000 pages about why this isn't the case.

 

[hrotha]

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btw I also have to laugh at Preudhomme and ASO for their call on banning power meters. I can say with 100% certainty this will have 0,0 effect whatsoever. These guys are so trained on what effort to ride and how they really dont need to stare at their meters to do so.

If they think this will have any effect they are really as stupid as I thought they were

You know what's less precise than a power meter? Going by feeling alone.

It's not exactly difficult, you know.

Indeed. Dumoulin for instance never has his power meter on in races. He rides by feeling (just under what he feels like is his limit). It's very easy for most TT specialists

I know this concept usually gives you trouble, but there are riders other than Dumoulin.

It won't be a revolutionary change, no. So what? It's a small step in the right direction.

 

[sir fly]

The power-meters topic is pretty intriguing, I agree.
First, my impression is that Prudhomme wants to show the fans that they'll do everything in their power to make the race more exciting.
Second. there are numerous issues related to the usage of the device. Banning them now won't be the same as if it would've been the moment they were introduced to the sport. The power-metric training method shaped the performance of majority of current generation. It has learnt them, in a way, how to ride, thus many of them can race without relying on the data.
On the other hand, riding without digital assistance could make them more wary and insecure about their condition, pushing the racing towards even more conservative side.
Taking everything into account, I support Prudhomme's intention.
Let's see what happens... but it comes down to the UCI.

 

[Red Rick]

Power meters don't make measuring an effort for an individual rider that hard. It will make it harder for a domestique to ride the correct pace if he's better or worse than normal.

 

[Koronin]

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btw I also have to laugh at Preudhomme and ASO for their call on banning power meters. I can say with 100% certainty this will have 0,0 effect whatsoever. These guys are so trained on what effort to ride and how they really dont need to stare at their meters to do so.

If they think this will have any effect they are really as stupid as I thought they were

You know what's less precise than a power meter? Going by feeling alone.

It's not exactly difficult, you know.

Indeed. Dumoulin for instance never has his power meter on in races. He rides by feeling (just under what he feels like is his limit). It's very easy for most TT specialists

I know this concept usually gives you trouble, but there are riders other than Dumoulin.

It won't be a revolutionary change, no. So what? It's a small step in the right direction.

Yes there are. However, when someone is a fan of a specific rider it's easier to use that rider as an example for what you're talking about. Dumoulin isn't the only one that doesn't race with a power meter on, as Valverde also doesn't race with a power meter. He races by feel and yes that can get him in trouble at times. Personally, I'm glad to know Dumoulin doesn't race with a power meter.

 

[Tim Booth]

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btw I also have to laugh at Preudhomme and ASO for their call on banning power meters. I can say with 100% certainty this will have 0,0 effect whatsoever. These guys are so trained on what effort to ride and how they really dont need to stare at their meters to do so.

If they think this will have any effect they are really as stupid as I thought they were

at least one former winner of the Tour seems to disagree with you
banning power meters WILL change things
but what does Bradley know about cycling

 

[brownbobby]

Personally i think banning race radios would have a bigger impact on and add more excitement to the racing than banning power meters...

 

[MatParker117]

Can we stop talking about banning technology? Sport is always evolving, it's up to the riders to adjust.

 

[brownbobby]

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Can we stop talking about banning technology? Sport is always evolving, it's up to the riders to adjust.

I'm not really campaigning for banning either, just making the point that of the 2 i think race radio makes the biggest difference.

I'm an occasional cyclist at best now, i sometimes ride a bike with a power meter, i sometimes ride a bike without a power meter. Even without the power meter, its pretty easy to judge what kind of watts you're producing and how close you are to your limit on any given day.

I would imagine for a pro cyclist, judging effort, with or without power meter, is not far off an exact science now.

But judging a gap, how quickly its increasing or decreasing, thus how hard you need to push in response, is always going to be open to errors in judgement if you don't have someone in your ear continually updating you.

 

[Robert5091]

http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/tou...ts-atop-mountain-passes-to-encourage-attacks/

"Last year, we had eight bonus points, but they were on flat stages. This time around, we'll put them on the top of the hills and cols, and on stages where there will be a fight for the general classification," said Tour de France technical director Thierry Gouvenou.

Will this really do anything?

 

[18-Valve. (pithy)]

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http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/tou...ts-atop-mountain-passes-to-encourage-attacks/

"Last year, we had eight bonus points, but they were on flat stages. This time around, we'll put them on the top of the hills and cols, and on stages where there will be a fight for the general classification," said Tour de France technical director Thierry Gouvenou.

Will this really do anything?

Only if Prudhomme gets his wish and can allot more time than the 3, 2 and 1 seconds that the UCI currently allow.

 

[Kwibus]

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Can we stop talking about banning technology? Sport is always evolving, it's up to the riders to adjust.

Sport is always evolving, but why do we allow this technology in the first place? What is added value to the sport? I have a.hard time seeing it.so why allow it in the first place.

Race radioa imo should only be used for safety. 1 open channel.

 

[Laplaz]

Btw, this route really favors MAL. No Murito, no tricky final, no difficult descent finish. On the other hand the high altitude and tough MTF's. Of course he will lose time in the TTT and ITT, but nonetheless a good route for him.

 

[Libertine Seguros]

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http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/tou...ts-atop-mountain-passes-to-encourage-attacks/

"Last year, we had eight bonus points, but they were on flat stages. This time around, we'll put them on the top of the hills and cols, and on stages where there will be a fight for the general classification," said Tour de France technical director Thierry Gouvenou.

Will this really do anything?

Only if Prudhomme gets his wish and can allot more time than the 3, 2 and 1 seconds that the UCI currently allow.

What is this, the 1973 Vuelta? Are they really so devoid of ideas of how to make their races selective that they resort to total artificiality? Here's an idea, Christian: design better mountain stages and don't keep relying on the same crutches over and over because the more riders do the same old same old, the more they know every inch of it, where is best to attack, where is best to dose efforts, and everybody's thinking the same thing.

 

[Red Rick]

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http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/tou...ts-atop-mountain-passes-to-encourage-attacks/

"Last year, we had eight bonus points, but they were on flat stages. This time around, we'll put them on the top of the hills and cols, and on stages where there will be a fight for the general classification," said Tour de France technical director Thierry Gouvenou.

Will this really do anything?

Only if Prudhomme gets his wish and can allot more time than the 3, 2 and 1 seconds that the UCI currently allow.

What is this, the 1973 Vuelta? Are they really so devoid of ideas of how to make their races selective that they resort to total artificiality? Here's an idea, Christian: design better mountain stages.

Can I coin the idea of getting rid of Prudhomme?

 

[ice&fire]

They'll promote Gouvenou and continue business as usual

 

[Red Rick]

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They'll promote Gouvenou and continue business as usual

Can we just get Zomegnan.

 

[Max Rockatansky]

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They'll promote Gouvenou and continue business as usual

Can we just get Zomegnan.

Make mountain stages 200 kilometers long again.

 

[Robert5091]

http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/pinot-to-target-tour-de-france-in-2019-and-likes-the-route/

Pinot to target Tour de France in 2019 and likes the route

Tonton can look forward to July next year.