Tour de France 2019

[Robert5091]

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Kinda hoping Bernal dont ride away with it on Thursday, for the sake of the rest of the race. He looks very strong though.

Question is, who of the other GC guys will beat him at the ITT? G,Kruijswijk, Nibs (if he goes for GC)?

 

[tobydawq]

Does anybody know why Jumbo Visma lead the team competition by 1:44?

Apparently they won the daily team classification to Ineos (whom they beat by 21 seconds) with 1:20 on the day of the TTT. Shouldn't this be just 21 seconds?

 

[Broccolidwarf]

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Does anybody know why Jumbo Visma lead the team competition by 1:44?

Apparently they won the daily team classification to Ineos (whom they beat by 21 seconds) with 1:20 on the day of the TTT. Shouldn't this be just 21 seconds?

Must be a mistake.

They should lead by 21 (stage 2) + 44 seconds (stage 3) to Ineos.

 

[tobydawq]

Re: Re:

Does anybody know why Jumbo Visma lead the team competition by 1:44?

Apparently they won the daily team classification to Ineos (whom they beat by 21 seconds) with 1:20 on the day of the TTT. Shouldn't this be just 21 seconds?

Must be a mistake.

They should lead by 21 (stage 2) + 44 seconds (stage 3) to Ineos.

Sunweb and EF should be closer as they didn't lose time yesterday.

It seems they got handed a bonus minute for winning the TTT. I haven't seen this before.

 

[starlord]

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Does anybody know why Jumbo Visma lead the team competition by 1:44?

Apparently they won the daily team classification to Ineos (whom they beat by 21 seconds) with 1:20 on the day of the TTT. Shouldn't this be just 21 seconds?

Each team's time was multiplied by 4. Therefore 80 seconds

Yes, that's a rule

 

[tobydawq]

Re: Re:

Does anybody know why Jumbo Visma lead the team competition by 1:44?

Apparently they won the daily team classification to Ineos (whom they beat by 21 seconds) with 1:20 on the day of the TTT. Shouldn't this be just 21 seconds?

Each team's time was multiplied by 4. Therefore 80 seconds

Yes, that's a rule

Okay, a specific Tour rule it would seem (I just found it out myself before I saw your answer). Because the UCI say:

"The team classification for the day shall be calculated on the basis of the sum of the
three best individual times from each team except the team time trial that is governed by
the specific regulation of the event."

And in the Tour's own rulebook the following sentence reads quite inconspicuously:

"Pour le classement général par équipes, le temps du 4e coureur est reporté 4 fois."

Which means exactly what you say.

 

[Broccolidwarf]

Re: Re:

Does anybody know why Jumbo Visma lead the team competition by 1:44?

Apparently they won the daily team classification to Ineos (whom they beat by 21 seconds) with 1:20 on the day of the TTT. Shouldn't this be just 21 seconds?

Each team's time was multiplied by 4. Therefore 80 seconds

Yes, that's a rule

(edit: )

 

[Broccolidwarf]

Re: Re:

Does anybody know why Jumbo Visma lead the team competition by 1:44?

Apparently they won the daily team classification to Ineos (whom they beat by 21 seconds) with 1:20 on the day of the TTT. Shouldn't this be just 21 seconds?

Each team's time was multiplied by 4. Therefore 80 seconds

Yes, that's a rule

Okay, a specific Tour rule it would seem (I just found it out myself before I saw your answer). Because the UCI say:

"The team classification for the day shall be calculated on the basis of the sum of the
three best individual times from each team except the team time trial that is governed by
the specific regulation of the event."

And in the Tour's own rulebook the following sentence reads quite inconspicuously:

"Pour le classement général par équipes, le temps du 4e coureur est reporté 4 fois."

Which means exactly what you say.

THAT makes sense.

That means it's 3 x 20 = 60, for stage 1
And 44 seconds for stage 3.
Total 1 minute 44 seconds

:geek:

 

[starlord]

Re: Re:

Does anybody know why Jumbo Visma lead the team competition by 1:44?

Apparently they won the daily team classification to Ineos (whom they beat by 21 seconds) with 1:20 on the day of the TTT. Shouldn't this be just 21 seconds?

Each team's time was multiplied by 4. Therefore 80 seconds

Yes, that's a rule

Okay, a specific Tour rule it would seem (I just found it out myself before I saw your answer). Because the UCI say:

"The team classification for the day shall be calculated on the basis of the sum of the
three best individual times from each team except the team time trial that is governed by
the specific regulation of the event."

And in the Tour's own rulebook the following sentence reads quite inconspicuously:

"Pour le classement général par équipes, le temps du 4e coureur est reporté 4 fois."

Which means exactly what you say.

THAT makes sense.

That means it's 3 x 20 = 60, for stage 1
And 44 seconds for stage 3.
Total 1 minute 44 seconds

:geek:

?
1:44 is to Sunweb. 26 seconds from TTT x4.

 

[F_Cance]

Bevin is the first rider to abandon. DNS due to injury today.

 

[wirral]

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Bevin is the first rider to abandon. DNS due to injury today.

The "nothing serious" crash may have been worse than first thought. Unless he crashed again on stage 5.

 

[nevele neves]

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Does anyone know what happened to the extreme heat? Temps look pretty mild to me. Just checked the extended forecast for Paris nothing over 29C which is next Wednesday.

Extreme heat is taking a break until next year or so.

 

[Brullnux]

This looks like it might be an awful awful edition

 

[Broccolidwarf]

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This looks like it might be an awful awful edition

Nope, it looks like a lot of evenly matched contenders, and an Ineos team which is far from dominant, which will make the last two weeks interesting

 

[Brullnux]

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This looks like it might be an awful awful edition

Nope, it looks like a lot of evenly matched contenders, and an Ineos team which is far from dominant, which will make the last two weeks interesting

Evenly matched? Bah, Thomas beat out the competition on a climb which is terrible for him, which had zero action until the last km. bodes badly

 

[RedheadDane]

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Bevin is the first rider to abandon. DNS due to injury today.

The "nothing serious" crash may have been worse than first thought. Unless he crashed again on stage 5.

Broke two ribs in that crash, so, yeah… definitely worse than first thought.

 

[IndianCyclist]

If G is as strong as he looks after stage 6, he will gain time(1.5-2 mins) in the TT and hold on in the mountains with the help of his team and Bernal similar to like last year and win his second.

 

[movingtarget]

Been one of the better years in recent memory for serious crashes in the first week especially for GC contenders plus they dodged the heatwave.

 

[Valv.Piti]

Great they didnt crash, but I would like them roll into a heatwave alá 2003. The Massifs in massive heat would be fun.

 

[del1962]

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This looks like it might be an awful awful edition

Nope, it looks like a lot of evenly matched contenders, and an Ineos team which is far from dominant, which will make the last two weeks interesting

Evenly matched? Bah, Thomas beat out the competition on a climb which is terrible for him, which had zero action until the last km. bodes badly

I am not sure of the narrative that the climb especially the finale didn't suite Thomas.

 

[happytramp]

I think that people are over reacting to what we saw yesterday. A short stage, with short steep climbs, ridden fairly passively until the final km resulting in a 2sec net gain for Thomas over pinot and a couple more over most of his rivals.

 

[JosephK]

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I think that people are over reacting to what we saw yesterday. A short stage, with short steep climbs, ridden fairly passively until the final km resulting in a 2sec net gain for Thomas over pinot and a couple more over most of his rivals.

That's probably a solid, objective assessment of yesterday's stage. But for many fans, it doesn't seem to matter that GT looked loads heavier a couple months ago, had comparatively little top-form racing in his legs this year, crashed out of the Tour de Suisse and lost altitude training time. The sense is that this year's TDF will be a replay of all the others (save 2014) for the past eight years with the Sky/Ineos leader a shoe-in to win, and the real casualty will be drama.

 

[Pantani_lives]

This might be the top 3 in Paris:

1 Thomas
2 Pinot
3 Fuglsang

The real drama will be in the battle for fourth place between Quintana and Landa. Bring it on, Movistar!

 

[Laplaz]

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This might be the top 3 in Paris:

1 Thomas
2 Pinot
3 Fuglsang

The real drama will be in the battle for fourth place between Quintana and Landa. Bring it on, Movistar!

Watch out for Buchmann

 

[JosephK]

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This might be the top 3 in Paris:

1 Thomas
2 Pinot
3 Fuglsang

The real drama will be in the battle for fourth place between Quintana and Landa. Bring it on, Movistar!

Watch out for Buchmann

I agree. I picked him in my top ten for the TDF prediction poll/post.