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May0maniac

May0maniac

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Red Rick said:
Mayomaniac said:
Yeah, Jandri won't happen, but using it and paving the whole thing would fit ASO, instead of actually using the climbs that they'd "create" a new climb and a new record. I also don't think that the climb would create great racing, yes it is super hard, but with 3km to go you have 2km that have an average gradient of over 15%, the big names wouldn't attack before than.
I'd rather have a Granon MTF after Galibier and a really hard stage.
If it really is Saint-Michel-de-Maurienne - Tignes, something like this would be the best possible stage without using the Galibier or crossing the Italian broder (but it's ASO):
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Jandri would honestly piss me off cause Rosael is much more feasable and don't actually have to finish there
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Where would you place the finish of the Rosael stage, Val Thorens or a really long descent all the way down to Moûtiers?
 
Libertine Seguros

Libertine Seguros

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Re: Re:

Mayomaniac said:
Red Rick said:
Mayomaniac said:
Yeah, Jandri won't happen, but using it and paving the whole thing would fit ASO, instead of actually using the climbs that they'd "create" a new climb and a new record. I also don't think that the climb would create great racing, yes it is super hard, but with 3km to go you have 2km that have an average gradient of over 15%, the big names wouldn't attack before than.
I'd rather have a Granon MTF after Galibier and a really hard stage.
If it really is Saint-Michel-de-Maurienne - Tignes, something like this would be the best possible stage without using the Galibier or crossing the Italian broder (but it's ASO):
Click to expand...
Jandri would honestly piss me off cause Rosael is much more feasable and don't actually have to finish there
Click to expand...
Where would you place the finish of the Rosael stage, Val Thorens or a really long descent all the way down to Moûtiers?
Click to expand...
Les Menuires-Reberty.
 
Red Rick

Red Rick

Feb 20, 2012
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Re: Re:

Mayomaniac said:
Red Rick said:
Mayomaniac said:
Yeah, Jandri won't happen, but using it and paving the whole thing would fit ASO, instead of actually using the climbs that they'd "create" a new climb and a new record. I also don't think that the climb would create great racing, yes it is super hard, but with 3km to go you have 2km that have an average gradient of over 15%, the big names wouldn't attack before than.
I'd rather have a Granon MTF after Galibier and a really hard stage.
If it really is Saint-Michel-de-Maurienne - Tignes, something like this would be the best possible stage without using the Galibier or crossing the Italian broder (but it's ASO):
Click to expand...
Jandri would honestly piss me off cause Rosael is much more feasable and don't actually have to finish there
Click to expand...
Where would you place the finish of the Rosael stage, Val Thorens or a really long descent all the way down to Moûtiers?
Click to expand...

Could go either way. Could also put a climb at the end. Looking at Finestre this year nothing would stop the action

Was thinking that descending the south side wouldn't really be realistic, bu then there are some steep descents.

But both sides would be huge, and you can out massive climbs before it too
 
Tonton

Tonton

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It doesn't matter how good or bad the design is, as long as a team has a strangle-hold on the action. That's what makes the TdF the least appreciated GT here, plus some bias. At this point, in my view, only ITT distance can level the playing field, short stages maybe.Sky's A Team with discipline is just too strong. Le Tour is the biggest prize, the field is by far the strongest if you look at team composition. Et caetera...
 
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18-Valve. (pithy)

May 4, 2011
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Re:

Mayomaniac said:
If it really is Saint-Michel-de-Maurienne - Tignes, something like this would be the best possible stage without using the Galibier or crossing the Italian broder (but it's ASO):
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Yeah. The Tignes stage is ideally positioned to be the queen stage ... if there's going to be one. L'Étape du Tour (Albertville - Val Tho) will likely be easier, as will the Valloire stage, with only Izoard and Galibier as the most likely option there.

5749m elevation gain is a bit much, though. When was the last time the Tour (or the Giro, for that matter) matched, or surpassed that?
 
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OlavEH

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Max Rockatansky said:
There were two posts from Lasterketa Burua and La Flamme Rouge today on Twitter. Both drawing stages out of media conclusions from today.
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Very optimistic suggestions from Lasterketa Burua. I don't believe for a second that we'll see those three Alps stages. The Pyrenee stages seems somewhat more plausible. The Prates di Albi stage could be interesting if they do Pegeuere and Agnes-Latrape/Port de Lers first. Just hope they do something "smart" on the Tignes stage. Could be a possible queen stage, but may just as likely end up as short stage with Iseran as the only tough climb.
 
Alexandre B.

Alexandre B.

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The parcours according to La Dépêche du Midi.
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Red Rick

Red Rick

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Tonton said:
It doesn't matter how good or bad the design is, as long as a team has a strangle-hold on the action. That's what makes the TdF the least appreciated GT here, plus some bias. At this point, in my view, only ITT distance can level the playing field, short stages maybe.Sky's A Team with discipline is just too strong. Le Tour is the biggest prize, the field is by far the strongest if you look at team composition. Et caetera...
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The effect of team strength can be lessened with great route design.

But the fact thst the 2nd stage to be announced was a TTT just proves that the ASO dont give a *** anymore
 
May0maniac

May0maniac

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So the 3rd week will (probably) feature an ITT, a Gap stage and 3 mountain stages, that's almost as backloaded as 2011.
 
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OlavEH

Oct 19, 2011
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Mayomaniac said:
So the 3rd week will (probably) feature an ITT, a Gap stage and 3 mountain stages, that's almost as backloaded as 2011.
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Well, you'll still have two Vosges stages in week 1, a Massif Central and three Pyrenee stages in week 2. Backloading is far from being the biggest concern.
 
May0maniac

May0maniac

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18-Valve. (pithy) said:
Mayomaniac said:
If it really is Saint-Michel-de-Maurienne - Tignes, something like this would be the best possible stage without using the Galibier or crossing the Italian broder (but it's ASO):
Click to expand...

Yeah. The Tignes stage is ideally positioned to be the queen stage ... if there's going to be one. L'Étape du Tour (Albertville - Val Tho) will likely be easier, as will the Valloire stage, with only Izoard and Galibier as the most likely option there.

5749m elevation gain is a bit much, though. When was the last time the Tour (or the Giro, for that matter) matched, or surpassed that?
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Yes, but he stage proposed by Lasterketa Burua would also be a great Tignes stage.
@ Libertine Seguros:
Yes, a finish in Les Menuires-Reberty would be a great option.
 
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del1962

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Red Rick said:
Tonton said:
It doesn't matter how good or bad the design is, as long as a team has a strangle-hold on the action. That's what makes the TdF the least appreciated GT here, plus some bias. At this point, in my view, only ITT distance can level the playing field, short stages maybe.Sky's A Team with discipline is just too strong. Le Tour is the biggest prize, the field is by far the strongest if you look at team composition. Et caetera...
Click to expand...
The effect of team strength can be lessened with great route design.

But the fact thst the 2nd stage to be announced was a TTT just proves that the ASO dont give a **** anymore
Click to expand...

What is the obsession with TTT, is it because the roads are closed for less time than an ITT, because although watching a TTT can be a great watch, for the race an ITT is much better.
 
Red Rick

Red Rick

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del1962 said:
Red Rick said:
Tonton said:
It doesn't matter how good or bad the design is, as long as a team has a strangle-hold on the action. That's what makes the TdF the least appreciated GT here, plus some bias. At this point, in my view, only ITT distance can level the playing field, short stages maybe.Sky's A Team with discipline is just too strong. Le Tour is the biggest prize, the field is by far the strongest if you look at team composition. Et caetera...
Click to expand...
The effect of team strength can be lessened with great route design.

But the fact thst the 2nd stage to be announced was a TTT just proves that the ASO dont give a **** anymore
Click to expand...

What is the obsession with TTT, is it because the roads are closed for less time than an ITT, because although watching a TTT can be a great watch, for the race an ITT is much better.
Click to expand...
TTTs are terrible cause they really don't have to throw more bones to the teams that already strangle the race.
 
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