Tour de France Tour de France 2021, Stage 17: Muret – Saint-Lary-Soulan Col du Portet, 178.4 km

[Valv.Piti]

Vingegard should learn to not help Pogacar!

? Do you even know cycling?

 

[Mayomaniac]

I also have to defend Vingegaard's reasoning a bit, it's his first gt riding for the gc, so a podium is a huge deal for him. Carapaz on the other hand already has won the Giro and finished 2nd at the Vuelta.

 

[saunaking]

Carapaz is a killer. Jonas was a fool to let him sit on, but he'll learn for next time

obvs didnt see season 1 of the doc

 

[movingtarget]

uh carapaz accomplished exactly that and even tried to pull a win out of his ass

And he still messed it up. One late attack would have been a better tactic. The time gap to the Uran group was never going to be a lot because of all the stop start towards the finish. Think Carapaz attacked too early.

 

[Escarabajo]

Carapaz rode to win the stage and he still had a mountain stage the next day to gain more time on Uran, he did the right thing.
I noticed that he was tuning up his painface to 11 everytime one of the other 2 looked back at him.

Absolutely. I noticed that too. A little too much theater. Maybe he is learning from Soccer players!

 

[Red Rick]

Carapaz rode to win the stage and he still had a mountain stage the next day to gain more time on Uran, he did the right thing.
I noticed that he was tuning up his painface to 11 everytime one of the other 2 looked back at him.

It's 2021, Ineos have yet to discover these things like cameras are all over the Tour de France.

 

[Mayomaniac]

And he still messed it up. One late attack would have been a better tactic. The time gap to the Uran group was never going to be a lot because of all the stop start towards the finish. Think Carapaz attacked too early.

Yeah, and attack just a bit later would probably have been the winning move, but that's cycling.

 

[Escarabajo]

? Do you even know cycling?

Read the rest of the posts in here and respond to all of them before you start posting your garbage again!
What is next, Movistar the best team of the year?
Please stop it!!!!

 

[saganftw]

Pog said they both knew Carapaz was faking, which means neither of them was worried about Carapaz

 

[HelloDolly]

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Pog went deep

 

[saunaking]

I think the issue is that Carapaz was not riding to win the Tour, but riding to win second place in the Tour, and sandbagging the guy he was 1 second behind. Not unheard of, and Carapaz has attacked more than any other rider, but his decision to sit-on and never pull netted him the same result he would have gotten if he pulled, only he wouldn't have looked like a bit of putz doing so.

I think by not pulling he was able to at least attempt the attack and was his only way to win the stage even if it was only a 5% chance

 

[T-Nielsen]

Clever riding from Carapaz and Pogacar. A bit naive (not much with there being reason in dropping Uran) from Vingegaard but the way he finished are promising.

 

[Rackham]

Vingegaard to me seems a bit deferential towards Pogacar who has now taken over the mantle of the current king of the peloton. He had no need to pull after UAE were clearly riding all day to set up the stage win for Pogacar. When Pogacar attacked the onus was on him to ride both Vingegaard & Carapaz off his wheel but Vingegaard naively started pulling for him. Perhaps he was just hoping to protect his second place and put more time into the pursuers but he still could have done this by allowing Pogacar to take a longer pull before attacking further up the mountain and give himself the best possible opportunity of winning the stage.

Really? Pogacar could have won the stage & had the exact same time over second overall "if" he'd been with 12 other riders around him at the final km. His punch on climbs like this is rivalled by Roglic alone & he's not there. Meanwhile the guys who needed a gap over Uran were Vingegaard & Carapaz.

Pogacar is almost a tourist at this point on a sightseeing trip, i.e. just going for stage wins.

 

[Krzysztof_O]

Vingegaard did the right thing that he pulled with Pogacar. They were distancing Uran and Pogacar didn't really care about it (given his GC gap) so obviously Vingegaard and Carapaz should be more interested (3 guys fighting for 2 podium places). If Vingegaard didn't cooperate Pogacar would have slowed down the tempo (allowing Uran to reduce the gap) and win the stage anyway on sprint.

 

[Valv.Piti]

Read the rest of the posts in here and respond to all of them before you start posting your garbage again!
What is next, Movistar the best team of the year?
Please stop it!!!!

So tell me again why it was Pogacar's responsibility to distance Urán?

 

[spalco]

So Vingegard told Pog that Carapaz was bluffing

Again why ?

Vingegard who is your competition ?

Well, a podium is a better result for Vingegaard (who despite being a Tour debutante at 24 years old, at least to me surpringly already is in his 3rd year in the WT), than it is for Carapaz.

It would be a real boost for him, and he could probably rightfully cash in on that on his next contract.

 

[Red Rick]

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Pog went deep

"Primoz Roglic sends his regards"

 

[saunaking]

Carapaz did actually make a mistake in not relaying the other two, i.e. Uran getting dropped was good news for both Carapz & Vingegaard. Vingegaard understood that & worked with the yellow jersey, Carapaz meanwhile wanted the stage & didn't help at all. He ended up losing both the stage & the extra time he could have put on Uran.

Bad move.

But he put a huge amount of time into Uran. Enough of a TT buffer infact

 

[saunaking]

Why bother riding on the front if everyone else will do it anyway and then you can strike for a win at the end...

so some jackass on a cycling forum won't call you a wheel sucker of course

 

[T-Nielsen]

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Pog went deep

So who will get the stage tomorrow?...

 

[SafeBet]

Sometimes it's possible that all riders involved do the right thing, even if it's not the same thing.
I think this was the case, given the circumstances and past performances.
All of Pogacar, Vingegaard and Carapaz are big winners today.

 

[bob.a.feet]

Very entertaining stage.

It's crazy that on Sunday Pogacar might have 6 TdF jerseys in his palmares. Only Merckx, Bahamontes, Van Impe, Hinault, Virenque, and Sagan have more. And Armstrong. And apart from Merckx, all those riders have only 7, so next year he could become the rider with the second most jerseys in Tour history. At 23 years of age.

 

[saunaking]

Carapaz and Vingegaard both have the podium in their interest, Pogacar can literally take coffee breaks on the climbs and still stay in yellow. Surely with multiple podium contenders dropped, it's in Vingegaard and even more so Carapaz (worse time trial) interest to extend the gap. Yes, Pogacar wanted the stage but he also can outkick everyone if it stays together with a group of 10, so he really had no incentive to keep the pace up except for fighting boredom.

So if I'm Vingegaard, I'd definitely be slightly annoyed by Carapaz playing theatrics just to drop that attack at the end. As a spectator I obviously enjoyed it haha, great entertainment.

JV should have been doing something similar. He is almost assured of 2nd overall regardless of what happens (after Uran was dropped) but unlikely to win the stage while doing 40% of the work.

 

[movingtarget]

But he put a huge amount of time into Uran. Enough of a TT buffer infact

Yes it should be enough unless Uran does something exceptional and Carapaz has an awful TT. But the mountains are not finished yet.

 

[spalco]

Sometimes it's possible that all riders involved do the right thing, even if it's not the same thing.
I think this was the case, given the circumstances and past performances.
All of Pogacar, Vingegaard and Carapaz are big winners today.

Right, well said.