Tour de France Tour de France 2021, Stage 7: Vierzon – Le Creusot, 249.1 km

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movingtarget said:
Movistar...........he won us a Giro........lets chase him down. They cancel Carapaz they help Pogacar, either way they lose as it didn't help Mas at all. Ineos left it much too late to make a move like that but the result may have ened up the same. But Roglic is out of the picture now and he obviously went deep in the TT.
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They signed him across from South America and nurtured him through their amateur team, promoted him to stagiare deals (which they almost never do) and gave him his pro deal. They were loyal and rode for him even though it was announced before that Giro that he had already signed with Ineos - before Acquadro had even given them a chance to open renewal negotiations with him - and then when they wanted him to co-lead the Vuelta for them, he rode an unsanctioned crit race they'd asked him not to, got hurt and couldn't do the race. I might have thought that plunking Ineos with the bean ball at La Covatilla might have been enough, but you know, you can see why they'd be pissed. Sure, he won them a Giro, but they had Mikel Landa take a back seat and play loyal domestique for him, and given the issues with the triumvirate you can bet that having had to sit in line and play helper for Carapaz in the one race he was going to as sole leader might have played a role in their issues with Landa's contract negotiation too.

So yes, Carapaz won them a Giro, but you can see why they'd see Acquadro as a scumbag a-hole who screwed them over, and Richie as an ungrateful turncoat.
 
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Exciting stage, brutal tempo, one of the strongest long-distance breakaways I've ever seen (including #1 and #3 in the GC and a lot of top riders). Incredible fight by MVP, who honours the jersey so well. UAE worked a lot and at the end I think Pog was alone, his team was burned - it isn't strong again it seems. Brave attack by Carapaz - it's a sign of things to come, he'll be attacking in this race. He was trolled so badly when the peleton passed him at the end :D Primoz couldn't stand the brutal length and tempo of this stage - too long effort for his wounds (ITT was a short effort). It's likely he'll withdraw to target Olympics and, yes, the 3rd Vuelta, like Rominger.

As for the GC situation Van Aert is ahead of Pogacar but 3 minutes gap is manageable (the Belgian may pay for his effort at the weekend) so his GC situation is still comfortable. Bad news for Pog is his tired team and attacking Carapaz. Ineos will try to attack and isolate him in the mountains.
 
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Libertine Seguros said:
They signed him across from South America and nurtured him through their amateur team, promoted him to stagiare deals (which they almost never do) and gave him his pro deal. They were loyal and rode for him even though it was announced before that Giro that he had already signed with Ineos - before Acquadro had even given them a chance to open renewal negotiations with him - and then when they wanted him to co-lead the Vuelta for them, he rode an unsanctioned crit race they'd asked him not to, got hurt and couldn't do the race. I might have thought that plunking Ineos with the bean ball at La Covatilla might have been enough, but you know, you can see why they'd be pissed. Sure, he won them a Giro, but they had Mikel Landa take a back seat and play loyal domestique for him, and given the issues with the triumvirate you can bet that having had to sit in line and play helper for Carapaz in the one race he was going to as sole leader might have played a role in their issues with Landa's contract negotiation too.

So yes, Carapaz won them a Giro, but you can see why they'd see Acquadro as a scumbag a-hole who screwed them over, and Richie as an ungrateful turncoat.
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Sht like this happens all the time with riders leaving. But I don't see those other teams not only screw over a rider, but the entire race for others as well as fans across the world because they are petty.
 
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Valv.Piti said:
Libertine, youre very sensible, but whats up with all the Kuss hate?... Never really understood it. Anyways, Kuss wont impact the way we are used to seeing now with Rogla gone
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Kuss' comments about stage 6 last year were absolute BS, but they were just stupid words put in his mouth probably by a DS. However, the way that Jumbo raced the rest of the race - and essentially every race since - actually kind of backed up that nonsense. He is not the reason for the evil, but he is the embodiment of it: this appalling role as the non-domestiquing domestique, whose role is solely to sit there doing nothing implying threat, rather than actually trying to attack or providing any assistance to his teammates. Because he's so strong in the climbs, he's usually there with all the bigs, but Jumbo never ask him to do a turn, so they just sit there with 10-15 in the group and nothing happening, because nobody dares attack because Kuss is still fresh to chase them down, but Kuss won't go on the front to thin the group out any further, resulting in tedious group rides, but without even the modicum of interest that Sky's train gave us where they could put the moto on the back of the group and watch people get dropped. When Sepp isn't working for Rogla or Dumoulin himself, he is less of a problem (although there was some hilarious mis-management of him by the team car in the UAE Tour too), but because he's too limited to be a GT leader in his own right, at least at this point in time, as soon as we get to the biggest races, he inevitably gets included, and he inevitably gets deployed specifically to prevent entertaining racing from happening.

Addy Engels is the orchestrator of this vicious assault against entertainment, but Sepp Kuss is the weapon with which this assault is perpetrated. When he is removed from the bunch, the action in the GC contenders' group improved, almost like clockwork.

You know how people countered the "neverending final set at Wimbledon" problem with just saying, ban John Isner, since his "all serve no substance" game was the main problem? One of the best ways to counter the ills of modern cycling is to prevent anybody playing the role that has been created specially for Sepp.
 
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Exciting stage, brutal tempo, one of the strongest long-distance breakaways I've ever seen (including #1 and #3 in the GC and a lot of top riders). Incredible fight by MVP, who honours the jersey so well. UAE worked a lot and at the end I think Pog was alone, his team was burned - it isn't strong again it seems. Brave attack by Carapaz - it's a sign of things to come, he'll be attacking in this race. He was trolled so badly when the peleton passed him at the end :D Primoz couldn't stand the brutal length and tempo of this stage - too long effort for his wounds (ITT was a short effort). It's likely he'll withdraw to target Olympics and, yes, the 3rd Vuelta, like Rominger.

As for the GC situation Van Aert is ahead of Pogacar but 3 minutes gap is manageable (the Belgian may pay for his effort at the weekend) so his GC situation is still comfortable. Bad news for Pog is his tired team and attacking Carapaz. Ineos will try to attack and isolate him in the mountains.
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Even if Ineos and Carapaz can isolate and drop Pogacar in the mountains. What happens then? Cos with the TT on stage 20, Ineos need to continually drop them and if they do get ahead of him, all he's going to do is sit on Carapaz's wheel. Carapaz needs to have 2 minutes on Pogacar by stage 20 and he's already behind. It would be a monstrous effort to get that time in the stages we have unless Pogacar cracks completely or crashes.
 
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