17. Bayard (2), Noyer (1) SuperDevoluy (3) HTF
oh j'aime bien! nice roads
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17. Bayard (2), Noyer (1) SuperDevoluy (3) HTF
Or we can dream about a Colle Angello and Col d Izoard stage to Briancon..Okay, so a Briancon finish instead of one in Valloire? Would make more sense, if they continue with the junior length mountain stages (as per the article).
possible climbs / GC stages (apart from stages 1,2, 20 & 21)
4. Sestriere (1), Montgenevre (2) - Briancon
7. white roads?
9. Dijon ITT
11. Neronne (2), Puy Mary (1), Perthus (2) - Le Lioran
14. Azet (1), Pla d'Adet (HC or 1st) MTF
15. Portet d'Aspet (2), Latrape (2), Agnes (1) Lers (3) Plateau de Beille (HC) MTF
17. Bayard (2), Noyer (1) SuperDevoluy (3) HTF
19. Vars (1), Bonette (HC), Isola 2000 (HC) MTF
We can dream, for it won't be realOr we can dream about a Colle Angello and Col d Izoard stage to Briancon..
Some dreams unfortunately don’t become reality.Or we can dream about a Colle Angello and Col d Izoard stage to Briancon..
With Vingegaard in the race it's a good thing it won't happen.Some dreams unfortunately don’t become reality.
This would be diabolically bad IMO. Stage 18 would not be a mountain stage I presume?Okay, so a Briancon finish instead of one in Valloire? Would make more sense, if they continue with the junior length mountain stages (as per the article).
possible climbs / GC stages (apart from stages 1,2, 20 & 21)
4. Sestriere (1), Montgenevre (2) - Briancon
7. white roads?
9. Dijon ITT
11. Neronne (2), Puy Mary (1), Perthus (2) - Le Lioran
14. Azet (1), Pla d'Adet (HC or 1st) MTF
15. Portet d'Aspet (2), Latrape (2), Agnes (1) Lers (3) Plateau de Beille (HC) MTF
17. Bayard (2), Noyer (1) SuperDevoluy (3) HTF
19. Vars (1), Bonette (HC), Isola 2000 (HC) MTF
Stage 4 would be okay if they add a loop before the start of the climb to Sestriere to increase the length of the stage to somewhat like 170-180 km or more.4. Sestriere (1), Montgenevre (2) - Briancon
7. white roads?
9. Dijon ITT
11. Neronne (2), Puy Mary (1), Perthus (2) - Le Lioran
14. Azet (1), Pla d'Adet (HC or 1st) MTF
15. Portet d'Aspet (2), Latrape (2), Agnes (1) Lers (3) Plateau de Beille (HC) MTF
17. Bayard (2), Noyer (1) SuperDevoluy (3) HTF
19. Vars (1), Bonette (HC), Isola 2000 (HC) MTF
No one expects it to be. Velowire has it as Gap - Barcelonnette. Those towns are only like 70k apart, so anything is possible...This would be diabolically bad IMO. Stage 18 would not be a mountain stage I presume?
The previous rumor had it as Pinerolo - Mont Cenis (HC) - Telegraphe (1) - Valloire - Les Verneys. With the (flat) finish just after the first short 8.5% stretch of Galibier.Stage 4 would be okay if they add a loop before the start of the climb to Sestriere to increase the length of the stage to somewhat like 170-180 km or more.
I don’t believe for a second that a Montgenèvre descent finish will be the only mountain stage in the first half of the race. Plateau de Beille as the final stage of the second week mountain block would be godawful pacing, but assuming we get 1-2 real mountain stages in the first week on top of that it’s decent otherwise, especially with two TTs.This would be diabolically bad IMO. Stage 18 would not be a mountain stage I presume?
What part of ~130km queen stage that's all 7% grinders is supposed to be decent? Bonus points for Isola 2000 coming after an extended false flat downhill with the only steep section coming directly after a good 40 minutes of recovery.I don’t believe for a second that a Montgenèvre descent finish will be the only mountain stage in the first half of the race. Plateau de Beille as the final stage of the second week mountain block would be godawful pacing, but assuming we get 1-2 real mountain stages in the first week on top of that it’s decent otherwise, especially with two TTs.
Yes, let's completely ignore the altitude of Bonette... if the GC situation is right (and it usually has been the past few years) it will be all-out war there. Which also means you aren't getting loads of recovery before you hit Isola 2000. Yes, it would be way better if they finished in Auron and threw in Izoard before Vars, but I don't see how that's supposed to be a bad stage.What part of ~130km queen stage that's all 7% grinders is supposed to be decent? Bonus points for Isola 2000 coming after an extended false flat downhill with the only steep section coming directly after a good 40 minutes of recovery.
Would certainly be better. The worst they could do is a ultra short stage from Torino or Pinerolo and direcetly to Briancon via Sestriere and Montgenevre. That would be super underwhelming. Adding a longer loop with a couple of cat 3 climbs and Pramartino before Sestriere would be better. Or doing Monceniso before Sestriere from Cesena Torinese and then Montgenvre.The previous rumor had it as Pinerolo - Mont Cenis (HC) - Telegraphe (1) - Valloire - Les Verneys. With the (flat) finish just after the first short 8.5% stretch of Galibier.
They could still add Finestre after all.Would certainly be better. The worst they could do is a ultra short stage from Torino or Pinerolo and direcetly to Briancon via Sestriere and Montgenevre. That would be super underwhelming. Adding a longer loop with a couple of cat 3 climbs and Pramartino before Sestriere would be better. Or doing Monceniso before Sestriere from Cesena Torinese and then Montgenvre.
Okay, so a Briancon finish instead of one in Valloire? Would make more sense, if they continue with the junior length mountain stages (as per the article).
possible climbs / GC stages (apart from stages 1,2, 20 & 21)
4. Sestriere (1), Montgenevre (2) - Briancon
7. white roads?
9. Dijon ITT
11. Neronne (2), Puy Mary (1), Perthus (2) - Le Lioran
14. Azet (1), Pla d'Adet (HC or 1st) MTF
15. Portet d'Aspet (2), Latrape (2), Agnes (1) Lers (3) Plateau de Beille (HC) MTF
17. Bayard (2), Noyer (1) SuperDevoluy (3) HTF
19. Vars (1), Bonette (HC), Isola 2000 (HC) MTF
Prudhomme has said he wants some "remco flavour (tm)" at the Tour so all this talk of mountain stages is only going to lead to even more disapointment then normal at the Big Official Tour Whoop-de-do.
120 km lumpy stages and lots of TT-ing is still my bet.
It is already confirmed by Proudhomme himself, that stage 4 will be an easier mountain stage. So I doubt, that any Finestre or Col de Granon route would be easy. The climb of the Col de Mont Cenis seems legit, because afterwards there is room for a long flat section, to not make the first HC climb to decisive. And then add a cat 1 or HC MTF. That seems logical to meIf they do Briancon, maybe we can get Finestre
It is already confirmed by Proudhomme himself, that stage 4 will be an easier mountain stage. So I doubt, that any Finestre or Col de Granon route would be easy. The climb of the Col de Mont Cenis seems legit, because afterwards there is room for a long flat section, to not make the first HC climb to decisive. And then add a cat 1 or HC MTF. That seems logical to me
How about a stage that's only 60km long and just for fun have a racing car starting grid? Yeah,sounds nuts but it happened.What's the expected length of the DIjon stage? If you want to make it a Remco friendly route, you'd have to make that time trial 50k and we know that won't happen.
Imagine catering your TdF route to the #12 of the Vuelta.Prudhomme has said he wants some "remco flavour (tm)" at the Tour so all this talk of mountain stages is only going to lead to even more disapointment then normal at the Big Official Tour Whoop-de-do.
120 km lumpy stages and lots of TT-ing is still my bet.