Tour de France Tour de France 2024, Stage 11: Évaux-les-Bains > Le Lioran, 211km

[KZD]

Very interesting stage with a dramaatic turnaround in the end.

Pogačar really tried to kill the Tour here but he ended up running out of fuel in the end. For me, he attack too early, he could have waited for Petrus to launch his attack and even if he hadn't dropped Vingegaard at least he would have won the sprint in the end. Vingegaard incredible recovery, he is not only physically strong but also mentally and while I don't want him to win the Tour, this is a likely scenario.

 Remco doing a very good defence of his podium spot, I feared that he would lose a lot of time but he managed his efforts really well. Roglič looked a bit more cooked which I believe contributed to his crash but he ended up helped by the 3km rule. Hope that he is ok physically.

Among the non big4 riders, Ciccone really good, Rodriguez a bit disappointing and Ayuso showing once again that he is overrated by finishing below Almeida and Yates. Mas and Hindley were just dreadful.

 

[zlev11]

the 3km rule does not require a classified climb. There have been plenty of climbs to the finish that are not classified where the 3km rule still does not apply to. Armstrong lost time in a stage of the 2002 TDF on one such finish

pretty sure Armstrong crashed outside 3km on that stage (and also, the rule was 1km back then)

 

[houtdffan]

There was no 3 km rule back then, it was 1 km. 3 km was in 2005.

It was also applied in the uphill finish of stage 3 in the 2012 Tour. Wiggins and Froome were caught behind an incidence and took it easy to the finish.

lance crashed within the final km. Got a separate time as he should as it was an uphill finish

 

[Netserk]

lance crashed within the final km. Got a separate time as he should as it was an uphill finish

Rewatch it. It's more than a minute after his mechanical that the first rider reaches the red kite:

View: https://youtu.be/7Vz2amuKAK4?t=640

There were no incidents in the last km of the race.

 

[QueenStagiaire]

Rewatch it. It's more than a minute after his mechanical that the first rider reaches the red kite:

View: https://youtu.be/7Vz2amuKAK4?t=640

There were no incidents in the last km of the race.

You say no incidents, but this video has made me very interested in what Horrillo was doing in the last 50 meters.

 

[Le Grand Doop]

He'd get the finish time of the rider in the group he was in when he crashed.


I definitely also thought that if there was a climb close to the finish, the 3-K Rule also didn't apply.

As stated in my hypothetical -- what if Rog were alone (i.e. not in any group) and crashed at the same corner -- how do they decide what his gap at the finish is?

It was convenient for Rog that he was "part of a group" so they just gave him Remco's time. But what if he had been alone and crashed on his own (as he did), how would they gauge his time then? seems utterly ludicrous.

 

[Taxus4a]

Very interesting stage with a dramaatic turnaround in the end.

Pogačar really tried to kill the Tour here but he ended up running out of fuel in the end. For me, he attack too early, he could have waited for Petrus to launch his attack and even if he hadn't dropped Vingegaard at least he would have won the sprint in the end. Vingegaard incredible recovery, he is not only physically strong but also mentally and while I don't want him to win the Tour, this is a likely scenario.

 Remco doing a very good defence of his podium spot, I feared that he would lose a lot of time but he managed his efforts really well. Roglič looked a bit more cooked which I believe contributed to his crash but he ended up helped by the 3km rule. Hope that he is ok physically.

Among the non big4 riders, Ciccone really good, Rodriguez a bit disappointing and Ayuso showing once again that he is overrated by finishing below Almeida and Yates. Mas and Hindley were just dreadful.

To kill the Toiur here he needed to put 5 minutes more considering how is Vingegaard. Of course if he put 5 minutes is becouse he is not well, but if he put today 2 minuytes to Vingegaard for a mechanical we have race already of course.

 

[Armchair Cyclist]

the rule also is not supposed to apply on uphill finishes, as today clearly was

at least this isn't like the 2011 application on stage 1 where contador was held up by a crash and finish with shleck, and somehow schleck ended up 1:15 ahead (that seemed like ASO was giving contador a time penalty for the shenanigans the previous year)

As I recall, Contador entered the last 3km somewhat behind the main group of favourites (including Schleck). Getting held up by the same incident does not give the right to the same time.

2.6.027 In the case of a duly noted incident in the last three kilometres of a road race stage, the
rider or riders affected shall be credited with the time of the rider or riders in whose
company they were riding at the moment of the incident. His or their placing shall be
determined by the order in which he or they actually cross the finishing line.

 

[Froome]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1811089147723207051

View: https://x.com/ammattipyoraily/status/1811089147723207051


Not bad, but i think he can improve a bit more.

Let's see how he goes in the long climbs.

 

[Peyroteo94]

Very good stage. Probably best stage of the season! Well done boys!

 

[Froome]

Moto is helping Jonas. What a disgrace

Finally the moto helped Jonas instead of always helping the same guy.

 

[Taxus4a]

I dont know were to put this, but I realized we have in Spain 5 riders on the top 20 of GC. It is true that no one on the top 5, but quite possible one of them got the top 5 finally.

I dont mind too much nations of the riders, but the feeling here is that is a bad era becouse we dont have anybody to win le Tour. We were used to Perico, Indurain, Contador, Sastre, Purito, Valverde,...but the level of the spanish cycling for le Tour is very hight.

Countries on the top 20:

Spain: 5
Slovenia: 2
Colombia: 2
Belgium: 2
Denmark:1
Portugal:1
UK:1
Australia:1
Portugal:1
Italia:1
Canada:1
USA:1
Austria:1
Austria: 1

Spain is clearly dominant. Ypu cant say wwe have a crisis or a bad moment, for me is stupid...Then Italy, France,...they are the more historic nations beside Belfgium at cycling)

People here is more worried about Spanish football selection, as I can understand (yesterday I was driving and thinking.., no cars now., why?..I didnt realized all the country was at the match. I know about football and sometimes watch the spanish selection, but I didnt realized was yesterday...)

But the positive think is that lot of people is starting to like cyclism and enjoying all the super riders we have now, and like the classics even if we dont win.

 

[Froome]

Vinge should point to his balls when riding over the finish line

Vingegaard doing this after the stage to Pogacar and Remco would be epic.

 

[SHAD0W93]

Vingegaard doing this after the stage to Pogacar and Remco would be epic.

View: https://youtu.be/oj0KUcYXFHk?si=iu6XqNX5Xicl8g93

 

[Froome]

Thomas looks to have nailed it. Vingo is getting stronger and Pog is on the decline. I expect we might see a repeat of last year, with Pog cracking massively on a stage. The G-T double is hard enough without trying to do it against the 2-time defending Tour champion and best grand tour racer of the peloton.

Chapeau to Vingo, this is turning out to be a great Tour so far. Kudos to Remco and Roglic keeping it close as well.

There is no indications that Pogacar in on the decline.

 

[proffate]

I must say that was a very well executed bike throw on Ving's behalf with pelvis fully behind the saddle.

Has he ever thrown his bike in a race before??

 

[CyclistAbi]

Congratulations to Jonas Vingegaard Hansen for winning the sprint.

Good stage and the cards have finally been fully revealed. If we look at big four, first thing to say is from time to time some people are making all sort of observations in regards to big four and even make and suggest their own lists. The road never lies. Anyway.

Pogi gained time today on everybody but Jonas and performed good. Said that first signs of fatigue are starting to emerge and in my opinion this will only get worse.

Jonas performed really good today, reduced the gap to Pogi and out sprinted Pogi at the finale. I don't believe anybody lied about the seriousness of the injuries Jonas sustained so the comeback he is having is something to respect. I feel that Visma should respect it too and not to exaggerate. Feels like they are getting carried away, that is on top of leaping to Pogi they event went for a sprint. I feel that Jonas will pay for this deeper into the race, such lavish exhibition of current form and strength. On top of that Jonas might be too thin, that is after burning fat and muscle he won't run on skin any more.

Remco choose to pace himself not to blow up and it worked. I feel that in proper mountain stages he could start to struggle but ultimately that is up to him. So far he is riding a good Tour in regards to the GC battle and should be taken seriously.

Rogla is on a bullish trajectory. I feel it will be beneficial deeper into the race to not be involved in stomps and to always pace by not going too deep in this part of the race. Proper racing to open up the legs a bit and to wait for better opportunities on where to strike.

Ayuso pulled for 10s and blew, so that i guess is that. The rest of the GC contenders look like not being in the podium fight ATM, but that could change.

As for the teams. Bora really isn't in a position to take yellow, they would get killed. So hopefully they are sparing Hindley a bit and for now do rely on UAE and Visma dicking around. Yates looks like Kuss of this race, still such strong reliance on Yates will bring riders like Jorgenson closer, for Visma, and hopefully for Hindley to top that when much needed!

 

[proffate]

he wasn't rewarded, it cost him a chance at the 3rd place time bonus

a) he would have had to use energy to contest that
b) he and remco could have played games for that bonus which would cost both of them some seconds
c) waiving a loss is a reward

 

[zlev11]

a) he would have had to use energy to contest that
b) he and remco could have played games for that bonus which would cost both of them some seconds
c) waiving a loss is a reward

they could've both also saved energy and got even closer to the front two if they worked together. you know the old saying, if my aunt had balls...

 

[42x16ss]

For the third year running, Pogacar will not win the Tour riding like this.

 

[Gigs_98]

Just to give my two cents about the 3km rule, I think the rule only partly exists to save riders from losing time due to crashes, as most have argued. It also exists in order to avoid crashes in the first place. The idea is that without it, gc teams would keep fighting for positions right up until the finish line because any crash, no matter how late, could cost very valuable time. Because that many riders fighting for position would be incredibly dangerous the 3km rule is supposed to have a calming effect. Since none of this matters on a mountain stage I'd argue there was no reason for the 3km rule to be applied on a stage like today. I understand all of this was known prior to the race so giving Roglic s.t. as Remco is obviously the correct decision, but I really don't think what happened today is the inventors had in mind.

 

[CyclistAbi]

As or the rule just please don't bother Rogla over it and rest assured he won't lose sleep over it. Point being it's your problem if you have issues with it. And if you do please be consistent in other threads too, on when this rule is in effect. Like every other stage.

 

[houtdffan]

Rewatch it. It's more than a minute after his mechanical that the first rider reaches the red kite:

View: https://youtu.be/7Vz2amuKAK4?t=640

There were no incidents in the last km of the race.

I must have misrememerbed

Didn't Phil and Paul say, however, that the 1km rule did not apply on that stage?

 

[tobydawq]

I must have misrememerbed

Didn't Phil and Paul say, however, that the 1km rule did not apply on that stage?

They said a lot of things.

 

[red_flanders]

As or the rule just please don't bother Rogla over it and rest assured he won't lose sleep over it. Point being it's your problem if you have issues with it. And if you do please be consistent in other threads too, on when this rule is in effect. Like every other stage.

Not the rule on "every other stage". If you're gonna scold people, being totally wrong may not be a good look.

Obviously there's no reason to criticize the rule on flat stages. Having it on this stage is fairly unusual. Hence the discussion.