Tour de France Tour de France 2024, Stage 5: Saint-Jean-de-Maurienne > Saint-Vulbas, 177.4 km

[RobertCrawley]

Good morning!!

Arnaud de Lie for the win today.

 

[rallybanana]

The most notable stopoff is Chambéry, historical capital of the Savoie (the original area of the Duchy of Savoy, only ceded to France in 1860 as payment by the eponymous, aforementioned house in exchange for French help in its conquest/unification of Italy.

Wow. If Savoy had become part of Italy instead then the Tour and Giro would be very different races today. From the 18th century maps on this wikipedia page it looks like the Col de Galibier would be on the border.

France–Italy border - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

 

[RobertCrawley]

Wow, Tejay confesses that he didn't give his wheel to Cadel when Cadel punctured and asked for it. It was a terrible, youthful mistake, and "my relationship with Cadel was never the same."

He related the story to give context to Ayuso's seeming unwillingness to pull for Tadej on stage 4.

Sometimes young cyclists make mistakes with split second decisions.

 

[shadowrider]

I would come back on what I wrote during the Dauphiné about being to early in shape before the Tour. Being in topshape during the Dauphiné is and was always a bad tactic. That often turned out to be the case (but not always) in the past, and it is also what experts will confirm. A lot of "specialists" here denied that.
Well, let's look at some riders. Lazkano (tremendous in the Dauphiné as a non climber), Gee, De Plus, Vlasov, Roglic, Jorgenson etc. They were at their top during the Dauphiné..... but not anymore. I have to admit I don't understand those riders and their trainers. I can understand alrounder Lazkano going all-in before and during the Dauphiné, knowing he has to perform then (the Tour being to hard). But those other riders ?

 

[RobertCrawley]

Cycling out of context
@OutOfCycling
Cycling will always be the most beautiful sport in the world.

 

[Potomac]

EF rider to launch attack after the bonus sprint, with 50KM to go.

 

[scribers]

Wow, Tejay confesses that he didn't give his wheel to Cadel when Cadel punctured and asked for it. It was a terrible, youthful mistake, and "my relationship with Cadel was never the same."

He related the story to give context to Ayuso's seeming unwillingness to pull for Tadej on stage 4.

Sometimes young cyclists make mistakes with split second decisions.

I wouldn’t give that psycho my wheel either!

 

[Devil's Elbow]

I would come back on what I wrote during the Dauphiné about being to early in shape before the Tour. Being in topshape during the Dauphiné is and was always a bad tactic. That often turned out to be the case (but not always) in the past, and it is also what experts will confirm. A lot of "specialists" here denied that.
Well, let's look at some riders. Lazkano (tremendous in the Dauphiné as a non climber), Gee, De Plus, Vlasov, Roglic, Jorgenson etc. They were at their top during the Dauphiné..... but not anymore. I have to admit I don't understand those riders and their trainers. I can understand alrounder Lazkano going all-in before and during the Dauphiné, knowing he has to perform then (the Tour being to hard). But those other riders ?

Roglic didn't look in top form in Dauphiné either, his performance yesterday was in line with the level he showed there.
Jorgenson and Vlasov are both far superior in one-week races compared to GTs.
De Plus had a rare chance to ride with a bit of freedom and is a pure domestique here.
Gee is hugely inexperienced, still figuring out how to time his peak, and probably also much better equipped for one-week GCs than GT ones.

No, you shouldn't be in peak form at Dauphiné if you want to peak for the Tour and nobody has claimed such, but usually the top of the GC at Dauphiné contains plenty of riders who then kick on at the Tour. This year is an exception and it has a lot to do with many of the big names not riding/finishing it to begin with, and many one-week specialists being there instead.

 

[Tricycle Rider]

Good morning!!

Arnaud de Lie for the win today.

Good morning, RC!

I'll take Fabio because no one else will and probably rightfully so. But I have a soft spot for the guy, so in my mind at least he has a chance. (Cav too.)

 

[Tricycle Rider]

After yesterday the smiles and chatter are back in the peloton, hopefully at least the scenery will deliver. And the last 10kms.

 

[AnotherArmChair]

Could they go any slower ?

 

[AnotherArmChair]

Sean Kelly not entering into the ES narrative of the sainthood of Mark Cavandish.....Can has shown some very bad behaviour to mechanics in the past Kelly telling it as it is and keeping it real

 

[Didinho]

They know this is not the Champs-Elysées stage?

 

[QueenStagiaire]

Ayuso when he‘s asked to ride for Pogačar:

 

[AnotherArmChair]

Ayus trying to get time back on Pog already

 

[Faserr]

Perhaps the route planer learn a bit, because even the pc teams don't want to go in the breaks anymore and I think they rightly don't go in.
They could put some more climbs on the route, because they are still in the alps...

 

[Saint Unix]

Wow, Tejay confesses that he didn't give his wheel to Cadel when Cadel punctured and asked for it. It was a terrible, youthful mistake, and "my relationship with Cadel was never the same."

He related the story to give context to Ayuso's seeming unwillingness to pull for Tadej on stage 4.

Sometimes young cyclists make mistakes with split second decisions.

Some might consider it karma that notorious wheelsucker Cadel didn't get a wheel the one time he needed it most.

 

[Zoetemelk-fan]

Today I definitely expect just a tad more action than during the 230k Italian thriller with French Noir compositions, of which I mid stage was able leave for a longer training ride without missing a thing.

 

[tobydawq]

Some might consider it karma that notorious wheelsucker Cadel didn't get a wheel the one time he needed it most.

Why was that the time he needed it most?

I assume it would be annoying to be proffered wheels just whenever out of nowhere, so sure, during a puncture might be at a time of need but was it any particularly precarious situation?

 

[Didinho]

Declerq needs to start pacing himself to get his engine going for later on. If I was him I would start a break and let other teams chase.

 

[Earns1985]

*lol* why is Ayuso part of a two man breakaway on a flat stage without any chance of success right now?

 

[AmRacer]

It's good speed for Cav and Fabio.

 

[topcat]

Ayuso caught. Pog can relax now.

 

[AmRacer]

According to PCS, avg 31 kmh on a descent?

 

[RobertCrawley]

Lukáš Ronald Lukács
@lucasaganronald