Tour de France Tour de France 2024, Stage 9: Troyes > Troyes, 199.0 km

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is it kamikaze to go to the line with 12km to the line 2v1? How is that not just a stupid excuse? I dont hate anyone in the peloton but you cant convince me 12km to finish 2v1 and not pulling is intelligent racing man :tearsofjoy: sorry but thats just defensive riding on another level nothing else sorry and impossible for me to cheer for :tearsofjoy: Oh well
If Vingegaard had spent energy taking turns, Pogacar attacks and drops him on the final gravel section.

I can't believe you don't understand this. I may have overestimated you.
 
I wasn't saying they should be full out attacking. I was suggesting that Jorgenson contributing a few turns while Pog was pushing on and Remco was chasing behind, meaning that Vingegaard didn't have to contribute a turn but could extract gain, rather than nuking the move and gaining nothing on anybody, was worthwhile.

Gaining time is always good. You'd think they'd have learned their lesson from 2020.
That's your opinion, which you're clearly free to have.

Visma apparently didn't agree. As they're clearly free to.
 
If Vingegaard had spent energy taking turns, Pogacar attacks and drops him on the final gravel section.

I can't believe you don't understand this. I may have overestimated you.
Vingegaard had a domestique who could take turns on his behalf, and so needn't contribute himself, enabling him to extract more benefit for the same effort expended.

I can't believe you don't understand this. I may have overestimated you.
 
Lets face it, its a carbon-copy of the past two editions. Pogi trying ang trying, Vingegaard shutting down and win it in the 3rd week. I honestly give this now 50%+. Will check the odds after the stage, and probably put something on Vingegaard. He is much stronger than expected. Much stronger.

I think people overrate the Pog is wasting energy narrative. A stage like this is much harder for a 60kg rider like Vingegaard. It's not like Vingegaard was soft pedaling when Pogacar or Evenepoel attacked. He went all out to shut them down.
If Vingegaard has his usual 3rd week peak he is going to win. But that's not a given and UAE should use any given opportunity to test his legs.
 
I wasn't saying they should be full out attacking. I was suggesting that Jorgenson contributing a few turns while Pog was pushing on and Remco was chasing behind, meaning that Vingegaard didn't have to contribute a turn but could extract gain, rather than nuking the move and gaining nothing on anybody, was worthwhile.

Gaining time is always good. You'd think they'd have learned their lesson from 2020.
Gaining time on Remco though, not Pogacar and increasing the chance you lose time to Pog by tiring out Jorgensen.