Tour de France 2025 route rumours and announcements

[Krzysztof_O]

How are peoples feeling towards a TTT in general for next year? Am i in minority when I say I wouldnt mind a regular TTT in the Tour 2025.

Only in PN'23 format: every rider has his own time. It's consistent with the way cycling is in general - helpers often act like rocket boosters for their leaders and don't have to stay with them to the end. A rule of the 5th guy hurts leaders with lesser team depth more.

 

[Froome]

Two stages in the Hautes Pyrénées for 2025. Wonder what the unprecedented stage format will be. Team time trial up the Tourmalet in the format tested in Paris-Nice? That will at least guarantee thermo-nuclear climbing times.

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Superbagneres and i heard in legruppetto about a ITT to Peyresourde.

 

[ice&fire]

Superbagneres and i heard in legruppetto about a ITT to Peyresourde.

They already did an ITT to Superbagneres in 1971, so ... yeah... the ITT to Peyresourde must be the unprecedented thing.

 

[houtdffan]

An uphill TTT of any kind in the Pyrenees next year would unequivocally be the worst idea in the history of the Tour. Not only are the strongest teams way too dominant in the mountains already, but it would also come halfway through the Tour at the earliest given the Grand Depart so some teams would be rather depleted going into it.

Oh, and it would likely come at the expense of a real mountain stage.

I cna see it because Gouvenou will Gouvenou

 

[houtdffan]

How are peoples feeling towards a TTT in general for next year? Am i in minority when I say I wouldnt mind a regular TTT in the Tour 2025.

a TTT near the start is appropriate,

We need 2 very long ITT (> 60km), a TTT (>70km) and a MTT. You know, a proper tour given there is no prologue

Balance it with 2 absolutely brutal mountain stages on the order of Morzine 1983 or Sestrieres 1992. Let even the aliens cry for the mommies

 

[yaco]

I love TTT's, however, they should always be on stage one. Looking at results of TTt's in the last two years suggests they do not create big gaps.

 

[Rechtschreibfehler]

a TTT near the start is appropriate,

We need 2 very long ITT (> 60km), a TTT (>70km) and a MTT. You know, a proper tour given there is no prologue

Balance it with 2 absolutely brutal mountain stages on the order of Morzine 1983 or Sestrieres 1992. Let even the aliens cry for the mommies

I mean now that they are faster as the 90ies rider, they sure can do 90ies stages as well.
270km hilly stage with no flat please as well.

 

[staubsauger]

Since the Tour de France celebrates anniversaries with 1 year delay, I suggest this Pyrenees stage!

 

[zlev11]

maybe they'll do a split stage with two mountain top finishes? that would be dumb but still the least dumb idea i've seen proposed so far.

 

[E_F_]

MTF with the riders released in the intervals of the GC?

 

[staubsauger]

Tandem Time Trial

UAE forced to field Ayuso & Almeida together!

 

[houtdffan]

Since the Tour de France celebrates anniversaries with 1 year delay, I suggest this Pyrenees stage!

too easy. Add Bales before the Peyresourde. That gets close to the 1988 stage (which did Portet D'Aspet and Mente before the final 4 climbs)

 

[staubsauger]

too easy. Add Bales before the Peyresourde. That gets close to the 1988 stage (which did Portet D'Aspet and Mente before the final 4 climbs)

I'd seriously expect them to cut everything before Peyresourde and make it a ~120 kilometres Pyrenees stage!

That would still be more intense than what we got in 2021!

 

[Libertine Seguros]

How are peoples feeling towards a TTT in general for next year? Am i in minority when I say I wouldnt mind a regular TTT in the Tour 2025.

If you're not, you damn well should be.

The rules are as ever. 100km at Worlds, velodrome, standalone event, or statue of Lenin.

 

[ppanther92]

How are peoples feeling towards a TTT in general for next year? Am i in minority when I say I wouldnt mind a regular TTT in the Tour 2025.

Yes, because Pogacar and Vingegaard should have a 2 min headstart over most of the other GC riders. Because they are not good enough on their own.

 

[Libertine Seguros]

3 man ttt like they did in La Vuelta decades ago, can't remember what year it was. Please do it just for the farce.

1991. They had that on stage 1 and a regular TTT on stage 3. A break went a couple of days later in a near 300km stage to Jaén getting Mauri into the GC lead, but apart from that ONCE filled the top 8 GC places until the second weekend.

 

[Ulle97]

An uphill TTT of any kind in the Pyrenees next year would unequivocally be the worst idea in the history of the Tour. Not only are the strongest teams way too dominant in the mountains already, but it would also come halfway through the Tour at the earliest given the Grand Depart so some teams would be rather depleted going into it.

Oh, and it would likely come at the expense of a real mountain stage.

And a real TT

 

[ppanther92]

Yes cause clearly what was said. Emotional much?

I dont disagree on the big teams part, I dont want a 60km TTT to dictate GC in anyway.
Just saying I kinda like the format, its something which is not always there and it emphasize on teams alter their selection/tactics depending on what strategy they choose. 20km TTT PN 23 format wouldnt be the end of the world in GC.

I liked watching as well as a child in the Armstrong years, tbh. But if, it should be a prologue or so without GC time gaps. Otherwise, everyone is even more *** against the best teams than back then.

 

[Libertine Seguros]

I dont disagree on the big teams part, I dont want a 60km TTT to dictate GC in anyway.
Just saying I kinda like the format

Then bring back Eindhoven or have another standalone race, no need to ruin another stage race by handing the ones who already start with the biggest advantage an even bigger advantage. The thing about teams balancing their selection could easily be better resolved with stronger rouleur stages and disincentivising sprints.

 

[houtdffan]

I'd seriously expect them to cut everything before Peyresourde and make it a ~120 kilometres Pyrenees stage!

That would still be more intense than what we got in 2021!

of course they would

Gouvenou has to Gouvenou

When will Prudhomme ever do the right thing and send Gouvenou and Guillen packing so we can get some real race directors?

 

[Valv.Piti]

I'd still take a, say, 20 km of TTT than a flat sprint in week 1. Easily actually.

 

[Squire]

Just saying I kinda like the format, its something which is not always there and it emphasize on teams alter their selection/tactics depending on what strategy they choose.

20km TTT PN 23 format wouldnt be the end of the world in GC.

Don't think teams will alter their strategy much. The common way of putting together a GC team for a grand tour is conducive to a good TTT performance anyway. And US Postal won a TdF TTT with Rubiera, Beltran and Heras in the team.

 

[Valv.Piti]

Don't think teams will alter their strategy much. The common way of putting together a GC team for a grand tour is conducive to a good TTT performance anyway. And US Postal won a TdF TTT with Rubiera, Beltran and Heras in the team.

I watched 2003 with Phil and Paul (they have lots of 4 hours packages on YT) lately, and that was a beast team in the TTT to be fair. Armstrong, Hincapie, Eki, Hugo Pena, Padrnos, Landis (?) and the three climbers who where decent enough I guess and not completely hopeless in such a discipline.

 

[Squire]

I watched 2003 with Phil and Paul (they have lots of 4 hours packages on YT) lately, and that was a beast team in the TTT to be fair. Armstrong, Hincapie, Eki, Hugo Pena, Padrnos, Landis (?) and the three climbers who where decent enough I guess and not completely hopeless in such a discipline.

Yeah, it definitely was a great team. But it also shows that even with an important TTT there's room for some climbers not noted for their TT prowess. So Visma can safely include Kuss, UAE can bring Yates and Soudal can take Landa and Hirt (some of those are decent time trialers anyway though, which kinda also brings home my point about no need to alter strategy).

 

[QueenStagiaire]

I think a one day TTT at the WT level is the only good format for a TTT, like the old Eindhoven TTT thing was. Make it a fast course, make it 50km, have yer drag race, and that can be that.

That sounds like the Hammer Series.