Tour de France 2025 route rumours and announcements

[E_F_]

I can't see a Tour France where they will go through Colle Finestre, Granon, Ventoux, Alpe d'huez in the same year.

Finestre-stage could also finish on Granon, no?

 

[Danskebjerge]

I can't wait to see all those interesting threads about crosswinds and echelons - the big messiah for the world's cycling fans.

 

[Valv.Piti]

Stage 2 looks exciting. Stage 1 and 3 not so much..

I hear people talk about Bretagne and Mur-de-Bretagne as well. That would be decent on top of stage 2. Any clues about key climbs, ITTs and what direction after the GP?

 

[Netserk]

Stage 2 looks exciting. Stage 1 and 3 not so much..

I hear people talk about Bretagne and Mur-de-Bretagne as well. That would be decent on top of stage 2. Any clues about key climbs, ITTs and what direction after the GP?

Pyrenees after first rest day, like in 2015.

 

[nightowl]

Finestre-stage could also finish on Granon, no?

That would be a waste of the Finestre though, and if the Tour was going there I’d imagine they would want it to be a centrepiece to a stage, not the 4th last climb 75km from the finish.

Mind you it would make for an insanely hard mountain stage though

 

[yaco]

of course he's not taking 9 minutes. He probably takes 2-3 in a 60km ITT as the WTT showed (those were the general gaps between contador and the rest, except for Landa, in the 2015 giro ITT)

He took 13 seconds from Pogacar in a 25km ITT and suddenly it will jump to 2 or 3 minutes over 60kms. You are dreaming! There is no point comparing Landa or Aru against Contador in a 59km ITT as being comparable to Remco VS Pogacar in an ITT. Lets compare apples with apples.

 

[yaco]

i think 80-100k of ITT would only help the race at this point. the time has never been better to have two long ITT again because it would bring a third rider into contention for the overall win. everyone else is already too far back anyway.

Who is the third rider who would gap Pogacar over a long time trial. Tarling or Ganna hardly profile as GT GC riders

 

[zlev11]

Who is the third rider who would gap Pogacar over a long time trial. Tarling or Ganna hardly profile as GT GC riders

Remco, already beat him in a short TT this year. i dont think he would take 2-3 minutes either but 40-50 seconds is possible.

 

[houtdffan]

That would be a waste of the Finestre though, and if the Tour was going there I’d imagine they would want it to be a centrepiece to a stage, not the 4th last climb 75km from the finish.

Mind you it would make for an insanely hard mountain stage though

Finestre is hard enough to be the major selection even as the first climb

 

[houtdffan]

He took 13 seconds from Pogacar in a 25km ITT and suddenly it will jump to 2 or 3 minutes over 60kms. You are dreaming! There is no point comparing Landa or Aru against Contador in a 59km ITT as being comparable to Remco VS Pogacar in an ITT. Lets compare apples with apples.

it's been explained many times. Please read the posts in the threads

for starters, see the gaps between LA and JU in the first ITT in 2003 and pay attention to the splits. Those of us who have seen many long ITTs have an idea as to how the gaps expand and why you CANNOT extrapolate

 

[OlavEH]

designing a route to let Remco win by 5 minutes is just as bad as the current routes

Shocker that you don't mind that. Still stuck in the 1990s.

 

[Red Rick]

Evenepoel by 5 minutes routes don't happen unless the rest of the podium is Ganna and Tarling.

 

[Salvarani]

it's been explained many times. Please read the posts in the threads

for starters, see the gaps between LA and JU in the first ITT in 2003 and pay attention to the splits. Those of us who have seen many long ITTs have an idea as to how the gaps expand and why you CANNOT extrapolate

That one wasnt totally flat though... which would probably suit guys like Vinge and Pog as well.

However, the second ITT was 49km in 2003. Totally flat. Look at the gaps there.

 

[Krzysztof_O]

it's been explained many times. Please read the posts in the threads

for starters, see the gaps between LA and JU in the first ITT in 2003 and pay attention to the splits. Those of us who have seen many long ITTs have an idea as to how the gaps expand and why you CANNOT extrapolate

Still, you are cherry picking examples. OTOH one can find many of them where such "exponential" growth didn't happen in longer TTs. BTW it mathematically doesn't make sense that the gaps always grows this way: because then the difference between the 1st and let's say 50th guy would be astronomical (indicating that the latter guy was actually walking instead of riding).

 

[Netserk]

I think it may be harder to hold a good position the more tired you are and the less you train on your TT bike. I don't think that's an issue for the top-3 in the Tour though. If they can prepare well, it's just W/CdA at a different point on the power curve.

 

[Valv.Piti]

Pyrenees after first rest day, like in 2015.

That makes sense. Then you go to Bretagne shortly after the GP.

I just have a hard time seeing 9 stages in regions that are really flat. Maybe they go with a TTT and ITT, maybe Massif Central, but what has the journey to offer of interest? 2015 was kinda interesting and it could be something similar I guess with a bunch of classics-style stages.

 

[Mayomaniac]

That would be a waste of the Finestre though, and if the Tour was going there I’d imagine they would want it to be a centrepiece to a stage, not the 4th last climb 75km from the finish.

Mind you it would make for an insanely hard mountain stage though

Give me Val d'Isere-Sestriere with Finestre and I'm happy.

 

[yaco]

Remco, already beat him in a short TT this year. i dont think he would take 2-3 minutes either but 40-50 seconds is possible.

Which is what I suggested previously, though Houtdfan disagreed.

 

[fabriziobernardi]

Give me Val d'Isere-Sestriere with Finestre and I'm happy.

I'd be super happy with
Bourg saint Maurice - Sestriere (Val d'Isere-MontCenis-Finestre-Sestriere)
Alba - Granon (Agnel-Izoard-Granon)

 

[Netserk]

it's been explained many times. Please read the posts in the threads

for starters, see the gaps between LA and JU in the first ITT in 2003 and pay attention to the splits. Those of us who have seen many long ITTs have an idea as to how the gaps expand and why you CANNOT extrapolate

Going out with your planned normal pace and then finding out that you are on a bad day also happens in shorter ITTs. There's no automaticity in mispacing longer ITTs.

That said, I'm in favour of celebrating Hinault's last Tour win by having a 75 km ITT in the first week of the Tour. Where radio and powermeter are banned.

 

[Red Rick]

it's been explained many times. Please read the posts in the threads

for starters, see the gaps between LA and JU in the first ITT in 2003 and pay attention to the splits. Those of us who have seen many long ITTs have an idea as to how the gaps expand and why you CANNOT extrapolate

You cannot extrapolate easily but for different reasons. Even the first ITT simply wasnt that flat.

And in the 2nd ITT in the Giro, Pog lwas ahead at T1 which was only like a 50kph split them he got deleted once it went north of 55kph

 

[Rechtschreibfehler]

Going out with your planned normal pace and then finding out that you are on a bad day also happens in shorter ITTs. There's no automaticity in mispacing longer ITTs.

That said, I'm in favour of celebrating Hinault's last Tour win by having a 75 km ITT in the first week of the Tour. Where radio and powermeter are banned.

75k isn't possible any more under the current UCI rules is it?

 

[Netserk]

75k isn't possible any more under the current UCI rules is it?

Same ruleset was in effect when the Giro had an ITT longer than 60 km in 2009. Those are not hard rules.

 

[Unterlenkerfahrend]

I mainly want flat ITTs back not to help Remco get a bit of a buffer on Pogacar but because it does mix a few non-GC guys in contention for the stage . The last couple of years we have basically had exclusively Tour ITTs where the top 3 on the stage were also the top 3 in GC. Especially the Nice ITT was an abomination because it simply mirrored what we had seen for 3 weeks: A 20 min threshold climb, a 4 minute kicker and a 10 minute descent, very creative stuff.

Obviously 50+km ITTs would be more spicy for Remco to gain much more on Pogacar but it also literally obliterates everyone outside the big 4 for podium contention. I know that as we have just seen this seems to happen regardeless but it still remains a huge red flag for ASO. I think the most ideal but also realistic scenario would be one single flat ITT of 45km in the first half of the race. This actually rewards the specialists, does result in reasonable gaps and also spices things up early.

 

[OlavEH]

Finestre-stage could also finish on Granon, no?

It could, but it is not likely. The most likely including both would proably be either a Granon finish via Galibier, and then a stage from Briancon via Montgenevre and Finestre to Sestriere. You could also add a Sestriere or a Monceniso ascent between Montgenevre and Finestre.