Tour de France 2025 route rumours and announcements

[hayneplane]

There's so little space at the top that I'd be amazed if they squeezed a TdF finish onto there.

Could they not have the presentation area further down the climb like with Cuitu Negru yesterday going back down 3km in the gondola to a larger area.

 

[Libertine Seguros]

When they invite you, don’t take a seat in the back. You deserve to be front and center.

It's all right. Sepp Kuss will let us sit in the front. He's too good for this world

 

[SHAD0W93]

It's all right. Sepp Kuss will let us sit in the front. He's too good for this world

Kuss knows the backlash it’ll cause if you guys aren’t up front.

 

[ashhutch1997]

Back to topic, I can't recall when there's been such little rumors at this time of the year for both the Giro and Tour.

 

[Rob5091]

According to https://rideleloop.org/route-rumours-2025-update/ as July 14th (Bastille Day) is a Monday, the first rest day will not be until the Tuesday (July 15th) which means 10 straight stages. As they seem to be doing the flater north west bits of France it should not be a great problem, but it makes week 2 short and that'll be the Pyrenees stages (probably).

 

[OlavEH]

If they do Alpe d'Huez. What is the earliest time it is plausible they do that? I consider a hiking trip around the Ecrins national park, and would therefore need to stay in Bourg d'Oisans or surroundings before and after the hike. And will choose dates to avoid the Tour circus. La Marmotte takes place the last weekeend in June, so I'll also try to avoid that. But stays in Bourg d'Oisans at 3. and 13. July seems like an opportunity. Given the Tour start at 5.July, it's not very likeley they will be in that area as early as 13th?

 

[Netserk]

If they do Alpe d'Huez. What is the earliest time it is plausible they do that? I consider a hiking trip around the Ecrins national park, and would therefore need to stay in Bourg d'Oisans or surroundings before and after the hike. And will choose dates to avoid the Tour circus. La Marmotte takes place the last weekeend in June, so I'll also try to avoid that. But stays in Bourg d'Oisans at 3. and 13. July seems like an opportunity. Given the Tour start at 5.July, it's not very likeley they will be in that area as early as 13th?

Everything I've seen points to Pyrenees before Alps, with neither of those before the first rest day on July 15. So I think the earliest possible date for Alpe d'Huez is July 20.

 

[Froome]

If they do Alpe d'Huez. What is the earliest time it is plausible they do that? I consider a hiking trip around the Ecrins national park, and would therefore need to stay in Bourg d'Oisans or surroundings before and after the hike. And will choose dates to avoid the Tour circus. La Marmotte takes place the last weekeend in June, so I'll also try to avoid that. But stays in Bourg d'Oisans at 3. and 13. July seems like an opportunity. Given the Tour start at 5.July, it's not very likeley they will be in that area as early as 13th?

I don't believe ASO have the guts to do alpe d'huez and reason are very obvious.

 

[Samu Cuenca]

I don't believe ASO have the guts to do alpe d'huez and reason are very obvious.

It's not about having the guts, it's about the locals being willing to pay for it, which they've already proved they are a million times before. They won't care about the record potentially being broken.

 

[Froome]

It's not about having the guts, it's about the locals being willing to pay for it, which they've already proved they are a million times before. They won't care about the record potentially being broken.

The repercussions in the media and social media would be very high. It's the most legendary and famous record.

 

[Samu Cuenca]

The repercussions in the media and social media would be very high. It's the most legendary and famous record.

Actually it'll be a much better story for the climbs and cycling as a whole, if the records are held by guys who aren't proven rule breakers, cause then they no longer have to talk as much about the dark ages they want us to forget.

 

[Froome]

Actually it'll be a much better story for the climbs and cycling as a whole, if the records are held by guys who aren't proven rule breakers, cause then they no longer have to talk as much about the dark ages they want us to forget.

How they will explain? Better nutrition? Well, clinical issues.

 

[Samu Cuenca]

How they will explain? Better nutrition? Well, clinical issues.

We'll see when/if it happens, but they won't stop using the climb.

 

[Ulle97]

Not sure if Alpe d'Huez will be used but we can nearly be certain that Finestre will be used.

 

[Netserk]

Actually it'll be a much better story for the climbs and cycling as a whole, if the records are held by guys who aren't proven rule breakers, cause then they no longer have to talk as much about the dark ages they want us to forget.

Pantani only failed a health check, I don't think he counts as a proven rule-breaker.

 

[Libertine Seguros]

How they will explain? Better nutrition? Well, clinical issues.

The same way athletics does. Just act like the records of yesteryear don't count if they're from "undesirable" cheaters, and treat them with a nod and a wink if they're from "acceptable" cheaters. And certainly don't question any of the performances coming in now, because technology is so much better (mind you, they're also building faster tracks now, which I don't think they could really buy as an argument with road cycling).

 

[tobydawq]

The same way athletics does. Just act like the records of yesteryear don't count if they're from "undesirable" cheaters, and treat them with a nod and a wink if they're from "acceptable" cheaters. And certainly don't question any of the performances coming in now, because technology is so much better (mind you, they're also building faster tracks now, which I don't think they could really buy as an argument with road cycling).

Perhaps not but there have certainly been more advancements in bikes than in shoes since the 90s.

 

[Froome]

The same way athletics does. Just act like the records of yesteryear don't count if they're from "undesirable" cheaters, and treat them with a nod and a wink if they're from "acceptable" cheaters. And certainly don't question any of the performances coming in now, because technology is so much better (mind you, they're also building faster tracks now, which I don't think they could really buy as an argument with road cycling).

L’évolution matériel depuis 25 ans pour la montagne. - CYCLES ET FORME

Bonjour à tous, Suite aux débats enflammés lors du TDF 2024 après les annonces de certaines équipes qui se sont reposées sur l'évolution matériel depuis ces dernières années pour justifier les chronos ahurissant des meilleurs en montagne, je tenais à faire un point et une synthèse de l'évolution...

www.cyclesetforme.fr

"If we calculate everything and at 23 kmh, we therefore have 5 watts for the tires, 4 w aero for the frame, nothing on the rigidity, nothing on the transition, 5 w on the lubrication, helmet/outfit canceling each other out. We are therefore on 14 w of material gain between 1999 and 2024 at 23 kmh, I specify at this speed! The faster we go, the more the aero gains will save watts to ride at 40 kmh. Pogi on the Beille plateau at 23 kmh would have dissipated 14 w more on Pantani's equipment, or 0.5 kmh cost or 50s slower."

 

[Mayomaniac]

L’évolution matériel depuis 25 ans pour la montagne. - CYCLES ET FORME

Bonjour à tous, Suite aux débats enflammés lors du TDF 2024 après les annonces de certaines équipes qui se sont reposées sur l'évolution matériel depuis ces dernières années pour justifier les chronos ahurissant des meilleurs en montagne, je tenais à faire un point et une synthèse de l'évolution...

www.cyclesetforme.fr

"If we calculate everything and at 23 kmh, we therefore have 5 watts for the tires, 4 w aero for the frame, nothing on the rigidity, nothing on the transition, 5 w on the lubrication, helmet/outfit canceling each other out. We are therefore on 14 w of material gain between 1999 and 2024 at 23 kmh, I specify at this speed! The faster we go, the more the aero gains will save watts to ride at 40 kmh. Pogi on the Beille plateau at 23 kmh would have dissipated 14 w more on Pantani's equipment, or 0.5 kmh cost or 50s slower."

Ignoring the heavier bike that Pogacar had...

 

[Eddy Evenepoel]

Ignoring the heavier bike that Pogacar had...

What are you talking about? Politt said on a podcast that back in the 90s the bikes was 9 kg…

 

[Peyroteo94]

L’évolution matériel depuis 25 ans pour la montagne. - CYCLES ET FORME

Bonjour à tous, Suite aux débats enflammés lors du TDF 2024 après les annonces de certaines équipes qui se sont reposées sur l'évolution matériel depuis ces dernières années pour justifier les chronos ahurissant des meilleurs en montagne, je tenais à faire un point et une synthèse de l'évolution...

www.cyclesetforme.fr

"If we calculate everything and at 23 kmh, we therefore have 5 watts for the tires, 4 w aero for the frame, nothing on the rigidity, nothing on the transition, 5 w on the lubrication, helmet/outfit canceling each other out. We are therefore on 14 w of material gain between 1999 and 2024 at 23 kmh, I specify at this speed! The faster we go, the more the aero gains will save watts to ride at 40 kmh. Pogi on the Beille plateau at 23 kmh would have dissipated 14 w more on Pantani's equipment, or 0.5 kmh cost or 50s slower."

Are you really trying to justify 3 and half minutes?

 

[E_F_]

Perhaps not but there have certainly been more advancements in bikes than in shoes since the 90s.

Huh... I'm not so sure about that.

 

[Salvarani]

Perhaps not but there have certainly been more advancements in bikes than in shoes since the 90s.

Running shoes are a whole better now also though tbf.

 

[Salvarani]

The same way athletics does. Just act like the records of yesteryear don't count if they're from "undesirable" cheaters, and treat them with a nod and a wink if they're from "acceptable" cheaters. And certainly don't question any of the performances coming in now, because technology is so much better (mind you, they're also building faster tracks now, which I don't think they could really buy as an argument with road cycling).

Better asphalt?

 

[E_F_]

The only major improvement in road racing bikes is carbon, isn't it? What else is major? Motors???