Tour de France Tour de France 2025 Stage 12: Auch - Hautacam (180.6k)

[Andre]

I decided to help you with the chase in this hopeless group

Is there room for 3 of us? If so, I'm in

 

[Faserr]

Lipowitz attacked with 3,8km with a gap of 2:21 to Pog. He finished at 2:23.
Of course he wasn't riding as fast as he could until his attack, but nevertheless this was amazing. He gained around 50 sec to Vingegaard after the attack.

 

[Unchained]

At least Remco is smiling while wearing the white jersey on the podium this time, before he looked a bit grumpy with just the white jersey. And he has some facial hair!

Remco with solid performance.. And it's totally a grab bag at the TT, good or bad ride from anyone can flip the script yet again. For all the things that Vingegaard did wrong, which are few , a bright spot was him maintaining tempo alone going uphill..it was impressive.. Some of the new names will need a great TT not to really lose hope for Paris.
The way Remco is discussed it's always cool that he is still qualified to wear white jersey!! Kid comes off as older!!

 

[Tim Cahill]

Guillaume up 1 place to 14th

 

[gunara]

Thinking back at Vingo looking so forelorn against the 4 emirs then having to deal with that violent Narvaez' surge, and in the end emptying himself ahead of the TT just to end closer to others than to Pog....I don't feel too bad with this slow life where I don't have to feel direct competition everytime I get on with my job... These young pros are monsters inside.

 

[Andre]

Lipowitz is probably the only one who can challenge Remco for third place overall. Scottish Onley has an outside chance

 

[Mayomaniac]

https://imgur.com/a/45TE3Qj

View: https://imgur.com/a/45TE3Qj


This guy says hello.

Is that Johannessen with his over the top heat training protocol?

 

[Mayomaniac]

THJ finishing 4th definitively justified Uno-X working the whole day. He’s a legit GC rider.

I mean, he was considered a huge talent in the u23 ranks, with lots of untapped potential (compared to the typical Norwegian gc rider in that age group) because of coming over from MTB late.

 

[Rackham]

Lipowitz is probably the only one who can challenge Remco for third place overall. Scottish Onley has an outside chance

Anyone who climbed better than Evenepoel today has a legitimate chance of beating him for third or just beating him in GC full stop, with Lipowitz being the obvious favorite for the podium.

 

[Andre]

Anyone who climbed better than Evenepoel today has a legitimate chance of beating him for third or just beating him in GC full stop, with Lipowitz being the obvious favorite for the podium.

legitimate chance yes, improvable also yes

 

[MJR]

Ok, good Tour. Let's wrap it up, folks.

 

[Lequack]

Lanterne rouge with Benji & Patrick

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9YJCT1zILUM

 

[Unchained]

Lipowitz is probably the only one who can challenge Remco for third place overall. Scottish Onley has an outside chance

Unless race organizers are going to shorten the race many riders still have a chance at the podium or outside chance to win..
And when Pogacar landed hard yesterday with side of his body making contact with the street.. @7 out of 10 similar crashes end with a broken collarbone.. So real life calculations should be if it happened to Pogacar on flat wide open non technical section it can happen to anyone.. Anytime.. Remco and Roglic also falling off the bike in unlikely areas..I think Pog is overwhelming favorite but nothing is for certain.. Roglic crashed warming up!!

 

[ingsve]

THJ finishing 4th definitively justified Uno-X working the whole day. He’s a legit GC rider.

I'm guessing their main concern was not giving a lot of riders a free ticket back into the top 10-race. In the end that was perhaps not a big worry given how poorly all those riders in the break ended up climbing.

 

[Gratemans]

Gouveu is looking more and more like a genius right?

Flat tour coming soon

Ganna for yellow!

 

[Escarabajo]

I'm guessing their main concern was not giving a lot of riders a free ticket back into the top 10-race. In the end that was perhaps not a big worry given how poorly all those riders in the break ended up climbing.

I think that is a wrong assessment. 2 minutes max is not enough gap for anyone in the break, at all. Pogacar took 2 minutes only to the second. The work was done so that the break didn't have >5-6 minutes. You also have to equate that all the riders in the break lift the pedal as soon as they are caught. Because their objective is to save energy and go in the break again. If the only concern was Carlos Rodriguez, then it is Ok because he ic climbing really bad this year.

 

[Andy262]

Kudos to Evenepoel for pacing himself and fighting to stay in touch with the podium. Mas dropped later than him but lost 16 minutes in the end.

Exactly this

 

[ingsve]

I think that is a wrong assessment. 2 minutes max is not enough gap for anyone in the break, at all. Pogacar took 2 minutes only to the second. The work was done so that the break didn't have >5-6 minutes. You also have to equate that all the riders in the break lift the pedal as soon as they are caught. Because their objective is to save energy and go in the break again. If the only concern was Carlos Rodriguez, then it is Ok because he ic climbing really bad this year.

That's exactly my point. Uno-X was working so that the break would not get to 10+ minutes which it could easily do if no one in the peloton works. And going into the mountains with 10 minutes it means that a good climber could have stayed away even with 3-4 minutes and that would have meant that Carlos Rodriguez would have been well into the top 5 and Skelmose, O'Connor, Martin etc. would be getting perhaps close to even with THJ and suddenly there are a lot more riders fighting for the top 10.

I believe that was the fear.

In the end those riders who had already lost some time did not have a resurgence of form so none of them likely would have been able to stay in front even with 10 minutes but that's not something you would bet on so better to work and not risk it.

 

[Andy262]

Pog certainly has a boss' attitude sometimes, but he really never gloats, and shows humility continually. That's why I can't dislike the guy. I would rather Jonas had won, and I will say that any hope of that ever happening this Tour or in the future, is gone.

I do hope that someone will emerge in the next year or two, to take over Jonas's place as an actual challenger, because his day of dropping Jonas is gone. I just want a real challenger for the sake of watching something with intrigue.

Here's to hoping del Toro will be lured away to another team. Probably too tall, and probably never be able to climb like Pog, but the kid has something special.

Tbh Pog has done the tdf. What I really want to see is him winning Roubaix and MSR

 

[AlpRaid]

Lipowitz is probably the only one who can challenge Remco for third place overall. Scottish Onley has an outside chance

hmm.

based on today I would suggest that Lipo is the favorite and Onley likely to overhaul remco as well. lots of mountains ahead so unless remco gets better climbing legs he likely kisses goodbye to podium and white.

 

[Cookster15]

Hard to believe this stage. Who would have expected this after Pogacar's crash and all the doom and gloom yesterday. The GC gaps today are beyond belief!

We saw last year that Jonas is a fighter - he simply wasn't good enough but he and Visma did all they could in the face of an onslaught. Looks to be riding for 2nd in Paris aleady.

Great ride by Florian Lipowitz. He has announced himself as Germany's next big hope - and Red Bull's leader.

Sad for Remco. Is he sick? He put up a much better performance in 2024.

Now for the second test of the Pyreneean triple - the MTT.

 

[Peyroteo94]

No one will ever reach Vingegaard's peak level. People don't understand both Vingegaard and Pogacar are probably the two best climbers of all times. We will probably wait another 30 years to see riders of this level in GTs.
So Pogacar will be king until he gets tired or has a bad crash (e.g. Froome 2019).

 

[ChewbaccaDefense]

Lipowitz is probably the only one who can challenge Remco for third place overall. Scottish Onley has an outside chance

I don't think Jonas in 2nd place is a forgone conclusion.

 

[Krzysztof_O]

No one will ever reach Vingegaard's peak level. People don't understand both Vingegaard and Pogacar are probably the two best climbers of all times. We will probably wait another 30 years to see riders of this level in GTs.
So Pogacar will be king until he gets tired or has a bad crash (e.g. Froome 2019).

Agreed. If Vingegaard can't regain his absolutely top form (or even more than that) all stage races with Pogacar will be so predictable that it's scary. Vingegaard is an outlier in his own right and it may take a long time before anyone of his climbing calibre appears. Pogacar's decline could start sooner than that and that's what probably his rivals hope for.

 

[ChewbaccaDefense]

Pogs only GT goal is to win all 3 in one year, which he can do.