Tour de France Tour de France 2025 Stage 12: Auch - Hautacam (180.6k)

[TourOfSardinia]

Do we need the Alps?

 

[ChewbaccaDefense]

Yep...

They asked him if this was "revenge," and he said that was a narrative of other people. He said he rode today's race, today. It was about him doing the best he could today. Only some of his fans, and journos trying to get clicks, are pushing the revenge narrative. Pog has more class than that, and anyone pushing that narrative.

 

[ChewbaccaDefense]

its possibly true but I dont think today Jonas or Visma rode to the best of their abilities because of their tactics

I agree. Jonas being slowly caught by Lipo, says he expended energy he shouldn't have.

 

[Unchained]

Rejoice, rejoice!! The king has spoken!! Let the games begin about bicycle model he used..if he was injured....
Big bonus was he absolutely crushed the soul, the dreams of jerk off Jorgenson!! 12+ minutes back!!
Nobody close and Pogacar went really really deep to prove a point. Perfect ride..
Onley and Lipowitz good showing.. Great salvage work by Vingegaard he really did an outstanding job limiting the loss.
Visma learned that if you F around you find out.. all the silliness a waste of energy!!
Respectable ride by Ben Healy.
French President discussing immigration status with Pogacar, many French citizenship programs for World Champion, TDF champion cyclists.. You are always welcome here!!

 

[Salvarani]

Do we need the Alps?

Gouveu is looking more and more like a genius right?

Flat tour coming soon

 

[Poursuivant]

Macron stuck with Pogacar longer than most of the peloton there

 

[ChewbaccaDefense]

Gouveu is looking more and more like a genius right?

Flat tour coming soon

Downhill tour, let Pidcock's team in.

 

[ingsve]

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This guy says hello.

 

[ChewbaccaDefense]

Announcer just said Lenny just finished...dang.

 

[ice&fire]

Do we need the Alps?

Who complained that the first mountain stage was too late?

 

[Poursuivant]

Good work Coquard

 

[Valv.Piti]

Who complained that the first mountain stage was too late?

I did, and even with these time gaps, I stand by that. Its always better for the race to get early selection, makes more a safer peloton and makes for more interesting racing

 

[QueenStagiaire]

On the positive side, I genuinely think Jonas had a bad day and I don't expect a repeat on Saturday. If the gap stays similar I think he might at least try something in the Alps. Not that I think he can actually drop Pogacar but I would be much more negative about the rest of the race if Vingegaard himself had a 2 minute gap on everyone behind him.

Well, he already had a bad day on the other big GC day, so it‘s starting to be quite suspect.

 

[Penninepeddler]

Given UAE lost Almeida it did seem strange that Visma basically decimated their own team when on paper Jonas has better support up a mountain now...

Albeit guess no one stays with Pog when he decides to go... but still, Jonas being the one isolated after all that was hilarious but predictable.

Jonas seemed on a poor day. Like a 35th centile Jonas day. Pog seemed on a good day... like a 80th centile Pog day.

Not sure have really seen one day of pre-Basque Jonas since... albeit might be wrong by the numbers. But last time they went up Hautacam wasn't Vingo like 1'30 faster than today?

 

[Tricycle Rider]

At least Remco is smiling while wearing the white jersey on the podium this time, before he looked a bit grumpy with just the white jersey. And he has some facial hair!

 

[dampframme]

Can I still cast my vote in the poll?

 

[Red Rick]

One big factor that's not really been talked about in regards to the low performance is that the entire peloton was stretched out in one file all day, so they probably did much higher watts on the flat before Soulor than they normally do on similar stages.

 

[ChewbaccaDefense]

Pog certainly has a boss' attitude sometimes, but he really never gloats, and shows humility continually. That's why I can't dislike the guy. I would rather Jonas had won, and I will say that any hope of that ever happening this Tour or in the future, is gone.

I do hope that someone will emerge in the next year or two, to take over Jonas's place as an actual challenger, because his day of dropping Jonas is gone. I just want a real challenger for the sake of watching something with intrigue.

Here's to hoping del Toro will be lured away to another team. Probably too tall, and probably never be able to climb like Pog, but the kid has something special.

 

[dobrien]

Well, he already had a bad day on the other big GC day, so it‘s starting to be quite suspect.

Yup. Unfortunately, bad on the two days he really needed to be good, with predictable results. Sorry to see it, for both him AND the race.

 

[Krzysztof_O]

One big factor that's not really been talked about in regards to the low performance is that the entire peloton was stretched out in one file all day, so they probably did much higher watts on the flat before Soulor than they normally do on similar stages.

Hot weather + gaps behind Pogacar suggest it was a very hard day. Under those circumstances Pogacar's performance was superb.

 

[Valv.Piti]

One big factor that's not really been talked about in regards to the low performance is that the entire peloton was stretched out in one file all day, so they probably did much higher watts on the flat before Soulor than they normally do on similar stages.

Good point. All you have to look at the time gaps behind, even though it also shows that the depth of the GC field is quite suspect. It makes Pogacar not thermonuclear time more impressive, as does his crash.

 

[Cycling111]

38 seconds slower than Riis. Doing the whole climb from the bottom of the mountain-

With a modern bike Riis would´ve climbed in 33 minutes .

 

[Gigs_98]

That's a bad day so far on every effort longer than 3 minutes.

Yeah that's a good point. I'm probably coping.

 

[Unchained]

Pog certainly has a boss' attitude sometimes, but he really never gloats, and shows humility continually. That's why I can't dislike the guy. I would rather Jonas had won, and I will say that any hope of that ever happening this Tour or in the future, is gone.

I do hope that someone will emerge in the next year or two, to take over Jonas's place as an actual challenger, because his day of dropping Jonas is gone. I just want a real challenger for the sake of watching something with intrigue.

Here's to hoping del Toro will be lured away to another team. Probably too tall, and probably never be able to climb like Pog, but the kid has something special.

Del Toro is going nowhere!! He knows he is among cycling royalty and will work in the king's court as long as he will have him. The dilemma is with all the injuries, many quality riders coming available equal to or better than Del Toro when Pogacar picks his supporting staff for Vuelta..he picked Del Toro for pacing at Strade Bianche..will he have a spot on Pog crew in Spain?
** Pogacar is 2-4 centimeters shorter than Del Toro depending on combing of hair**
Cyclists don't age in dog years Vingegaard is 28. Hardly an old man to Pogacar's 26.

 

[Lequack]

So in the end the short socks by Roglic were just a distraction for a Lipowitz attack. Great teammwork.