Tour de France Tour de France 2025 Stage 19: Albertville-La Plagne (93.1k) ‚Historic day, magnificent racing‘ ~ Rob Hatch, probably

[RobertCrawley]

Other than Pogaçar last year maybe - I agree 😀

You think last year was better than this year?

 

[Jumbo Visma Fan :)]

"A bit of panache attacking at the bottom of Hautacam"
LOL
That and the other 3 stages wins, I guess...

The other wins were a time trial and two small group sprints.

 

[Moose McKnuckles]

Pog looks like he's aged like 5 years during this last week.

 

[Peyroteo94]

He said Visma’s work. Not Jonas’s. Which would lead out Jonas to try something off of Pogi.

But it is different. Pogacar was facing the wind while on Hautacam or before, it was Visma domestiques. Can you not see the difference?

 

[gunara]

At least I don't remember when was the last time I put this much attention on the Top 10 dynamics. Zubeldia time maybe. It's been kind of fun with these GC "nobodies", while more established names fell away or failed to impress even as doms.

 

[Tim Cahill]

 

[Jagartrott]

The only people mad right now are Vingegaard haters who wanted to see him smashed in a sprint and feel deprived because there wasn't really a sprint and Pog lost whatever there was.

Yes, yes, that must be it. It couldn't possibly be that some cycling fans actually wanted to see some proper racing on the final mountain. And Vingegaard to walk the talk.

 

[kingjr]

Pog looks like he's aged like 5 years during this last week.

That's part of the plan to appear more human

 

[Sciatic]

It annoys me so much, it's unbelievable. For once we see some perfectly reasonable tactical racing and it only just doesn't pay off. Somehow people are pissed at this..? Reality is they'd rather see Jonas trying an obviously doomed strategy and having it fail spectacularly. I'd rather see the riders actually going for the stage win, but I guess I'm weird like that.

But that’s the point—neither Pogacar or Vingegaard went for the stage win—they just focused on neutralizing each other.

 

[E_F_]

You really should read the post i was replying to. It was saying Pogi is killing cycling

I did. My understanding of the conversation:

The statement is:
"Pogacar is killing cycling."

Your response:
"But Pogacar brings a lot of panache, so that must mean that you dislike panache."

I point out:
"There's no panache left."

 

[Jumbo Visma Fan :)]

Yes, yes, that must be it. It couldn't possibly be that some cycling fans actually wanted to see some proper racing on the final mountain. And Vingegaard to walk the talk.

“Proper racing” would’ve probably ended in an equally as boring result.

 

[Moose McKnuckles]

The other wins were a time trial and two small group sprints.

Oh, I guess those don't count toward "panache", amirite?

 

[madthebad]

The way Jonas raced was a form of admission that Tadej is levels above him, Jonas raced to defend his 2nd overall rather than risking it going for 1st overall. Imagine if Almeida didn't crash, the tactical possibilites we missed out on.

Definitely defending his 2nd place , if he attacked 200m earlier he would have risked losing 7 minutes to Lipowitz 😂

 

[E_F_]

"A bit of panache attacking at the bottom of Hautacam"
LOL
That and the other 3 stages wins, I guess...

Do you even know what panache means, man?

 

[Cookster15]

Alberto Contador was the most recent Tour winner who I thought rode with panache. Vincenzo Nibali also. But it’s a bit hard to win with panache when you are clearly stronger as Pogacar is.

Here is what Dr Google shows:

“Panache" refers to a bold and confident manner, often with a touch of flair and style

 

[E_F_]

Oh, I guess those don't count toward "panache", amirite?

Literally not! Pretty much saying that Jonas would have had panache today, if he'd launched the sprint one second earlier and won..!

 

[kingjr]

I did. My understanding of the conversation:

The statement is:
"Pogacar is killing cycling."

Your response:
"But Pogacar brings a lot of panache, so that must mean that you dislike panache."

I point out:
"There's no panache left."

If Pogacar wasn't as good as he is, MSR and P-R this year would have been a lot less interesting.

 

[Armchair Cyclist]

The way people on here talk about the cyclists is mental.....they have just ridden one of the hardest Tours ever and such hard stages with multiple climbs....in their place you would all be in the broomwagon keyboard warriers

behave !!!

Of course we would be, but what does that have to do with anything?

I'm not a great singer, but if I hear a professional singer being painfully off-key, it is reasonable to criticise it.
I have never studied political science nor held public office, but if politicians make decisions that I consider detrimental to the general good, I am entitled to voice an opinion on it.
I am not a professional commentator, but when those that are demonstrate absolute ignorance of the rules of the sport, it is not unreasonable for me to call them out on that.

And if some believe that riders have underperformed, by poor tactics or by mismanaging their preparation and levels, that is what discussion in a cycling forum will deal with.

 

[Jumbo Visma Fan :)]

Oh, I guess those don't count toward "panache", amirite?

Explain how a time trial is “panache”

 

[Samu Cuenca]

Do you even know what panache means, man?

I believe it's supposed to be spelled pancake. They eat a lot of carbs nowadays.

 

[kingjr]

Alberto Contador was the most recent Tour winner who I thought rode with panache. Vincenzo Nibali also. But it’s a bit hard to win with panache when you are clearly stronger as Pogacar is.

Here is what Dr Google shows: “Panache" refers to a bold and confident manner, often with a touch of flair and style

Describes Chris Froome almost to a T.

 

[Didinho]

Just give the KOM jersey to Arensman.

 

[Moose McKnuckles]

Do you even know what panache means, man?

All this Tour, we've been hearing how Pog is so arrogant and flamboyant, he wins everything, he's "ruining cycling."
Now you're like "Pog has no panache."

 

[pelotonIQ]

Definitely defending his 2nd place , if he attacked 200m earlier he would have risked losing 7 minutes to Lipowitz 😂

Looks like you only watched todays stage

 

[E_F_]

All this Tour, we've been hearing how Pog is so arrogant and flamboyant, he wins everything, he's "ruining cycling."
Now you're like "Pog has no panache."

Oh my word. Those are two different things... I'm not even necessarily pro-panache..!