Unfortunately he can't win the GC either way, unless he wins both this stage and the last one, which doesn't seem very realistic. Sky were one of the big losers today, and I'm surprised they didn't put more effort into catching the breakaway. Now even a top 3 overall seems to be a very difficult task.Jamsque said:
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Well, Thanks for the Aussie history lesson... I honestly didn't know any of that. Now back to the race:
I think Garmin should play Wilunga the first time by ear. If the heat is getting to people, ride hard through the second time. If not, work for Farrar (if fit for it) in the sprint to take some of those bonus seconds from Goss. What they need to not do is whittle down the field, getting rid of Sprinters like Greipel and McEwen and not loosing Goss.
I think Garmin should play Wilunga the first time by ear. If the heat is getting to people, ride hard through the second time. If not, work for Farrar (if fit for it) in the sprint to take some of those bonus seconds from Goss. What they need to not do is whittle down the field, getting rid of Sprinters like Greipel and McEwen and not loosing Goss.
Tuarts said:
Apparently it's live streaming on Cycling Central, at least that's what they said after much abuse on twitter.
Bailey said:Other colonies like WA strongly resisted Federation and merging with the other states as part of the Federation. It took WA a long time to agree to being a part of the federation as we now know it. With all their natural resources and vast wealth, they still whinge from time to time about not being separate from the rest.Much like how New Zealand is still a separate "colony" and nothing to do with Australia - and nowadays obviously a separate nation-state in it's own right.
Leave us out of it - officially we decided to secede long ago!
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Bailey - I don't think anybody is expecting a Tour of Australia kind of thing where they go from Perth to Sydney or whatever, because the distances are too great to cover in anything shy of Grand Tour length - and even then it would be very difficult because of the location of the population centres. However, nothing's stopping a bit of rotation, so we get South Australia hosting it one year and alternating it with Victoria and Queensland, for example.
Or at least could the race organisers try doing slightly different routes? You could even have the same starts and finishes, keep it around Adelaide, just vary the route a little.
Or at least could the race organisers try doing slightly different routes? You could even have the same starts and finishes, keep it around Adelaide, just vary the route a little.
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so what do you guys think?can goss and greipel fight for the stage win?i don't think it'll be like last year i mean there is no cadel,valverde or luis leon.htc will stay alert this time.
i hope for this:
1.greipel
2.goss
3.mcewen
i hope for this:
1.greipel
2.goss
3.mcewen
Libertine Seguros said:
For the lengthy (but necessary) reasons I set out above, it is unlikely to ever happen.
France doesn't share it's Tour de France by letting Germany hold it some years. Or by sharing it around with other European states and letting them have it for a year. France owns it. France likes to keep it.
When France does share a stage here and there, it does so by agreeing that those other places will happily fund all necessary costs. And it's still called the Tour de France.
Here, none of the other states in Australia are remotely interested in funding an event like ours. They simply aren't interested in investing in cycling like we are in SA. The ones they do hold, while older, aren't as generously funded via their tax payers.
It's a bit like how there is no big Tour of New Mexico or a Tour of Alabama. Those US states simply aren't as interested in funding a cycling event as California and possibly some others are.
Similarly, inEurope there's no Tour of Greece or a Tour of Bulgaria (i don't think). You get the general idea.
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Libertine Seguros said:
this is actually quite a valid point, and I agree with you 100%. I wish they would show other parts of the state, but again, logistics is difficult down here.
We can fit a few Great Britains in our state alone, and most of the cyclists only get lured down here because they stay close to the stages, in the one Hilton Hotel, and need not travel much at all. Convenient.
But different routes would be a welcome change.
Mount Lofty is never used. Tallest climb down here, close to the city, and utterly wasted IMO.
I too get bored with the same stage routes each year.
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There are Tours of Greece and Bulgaria actually, they're just .2 races, much lower ranking, and not attended by any of the top teams.
As I said, even if you can't shift it around to the other states of Australia (the US example is a better example than Europe, because the European states are independent nations while US states, Aussie states etc are states within a federation), you could at least vary the route around Adelaide; at the moment the parcours is near identical every year. Why not one year have a prologue TT in Adelaide on the crit course and then finish at Willunga? Or just get from the same towns to the same towns by different routes? I keep suggesting (though I know it's probably not viable) an XC-skiing type pursuit where riders are set off on a 15-20km course (perhaps the loop around Willunga?) on their race time so that the GC would be the same as their finish times on that stage. In a short race like the TDU that could be possible, especially if you had a TT. You could do it as a stage 6a and 6b thing, perhaps, with the ITT and the pursuit replacing the criterium.
It's just about shaking things up. The main criticism of the TDU is not about where it is, who rides it, or anything like that; it's that it's dull and repetitive. The organisers don't even have to make it much tougher, just make it at least look like they're trying to address the problems the race has and improve it otherwise it will stagnate.
Edit: I was writing this while you posted your reply above, evidently we're on the same page with this part of the question.
As I said, even if you can't shift it around to the other states of Australia (the US example is a better example than Europe, because the European states are independent nations while US states, Aussie states etc are states within a federation), you could at least vary the route around Adelaide; at the moment the parcours is near identical every year. Why not one year have a prologue TT in Adelaide on the crit course and then finish at Willunga? Or just get from the same towns to the same towns by different routes? I keep suggesting (though I know it's probably not viable) an XC-skiing type pursuit where riders are set off on a 15-20km course (perhaps the loop around Willunga?) on their race time so that the GC would be the same as their finish times on that stage. In a short race like the TDU that could be possible, especially if you had a TT. You could do it as a stage 6a and 6b thing, perhaps, with the ITT and the pursuit replacing the criterium.
It's just about shaking things up. The main criticism of the TDU is not about where it is, who rides it, or anything like that; it's that it's dull and repetitive. The organisers don't even have to make it much tougher, just make it at least look like they're trying to address the problems the race has and improve it otherwise it will stagnate.
Edit: I was writing this while you posted your reply above, evidently we're on the same page with this part of the question.
The Hitch said:
My mistake!
)Apologies to any Bulgarians who are no doubt proud of their region and their event.
I can be insular/ignorant at times.
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jens_attacks said:
No Valverde or Evans but Graeme Brown seems to think Mick Rogers and Gerrans will make it quite tough according to his race preview, but obviously they dont want to lose Swift though. So i reckon Goss will hang on, Probably Greiple also but he'll be fried.
Goss
Swift
Greiple
Apparently Greipel has lost a fair bit of muscle the year. Something like 5kg. Probably why he's not in contention this time. I heard he is focussing on a significant TdF role for his new team.
I wonder if a 5kg leaner Greipel can do better than he usually does on the Willunga stage this year.
I wonder if a 5kg leaner Greipel can do better than he usually does on the Willunga stage this year.
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well i was kind of shocked to see greipel in today's stage attacking on a climb like a psycho.it might be interesting.at what time(CET) will start the broadcast?
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Why is everyone forgetting Matthews in a stage like this? A thougher stage where the field is a bit decimated/tired.
I expect Rabobank will try something with Ten Dam on Willunga hill, which will ofcourse not make it (if Evans and Valverde can't, how the hell should Ten Dam be able to?), but it will tire/decimate the field, so Matthews can try and win the sprint again.
And no I don't think this will happen or work everytime. I'm just wondering why nobody suggested Matthews before.
I expect Rabobank will try something with Ten Dam on Willunga hill, which will ofcourse not make it (if Evans and Valverde can't, how the hell should Ten Dam be able to?), but it will tire/decimate the field, so Matthews can try and win the sprint again.
And no I don't think this will happen or work everytime. I'm just wondering why nobody suggested Matthews before.
I can't see him beating Matthew Goss unless Goss punctures again, but surely, Matthews is a possibility for the win.Dekker_Tifosi said:
A group containing someone like Simon Gerrans, Michael Rogers, Ballan, Porte etc, could be able to stay away, but not very likely.
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Meh, when it's uphill and hard, I don't know if it's so certain Goss wins
actually just repeat what Kwibus mentions.
actually just repeat what Kwibus mentions.
Weening and Ten Dam will go on a two-up attackDekker_Tifosi said:
No, the only thing Ten Dam can hope for is that he can get away with guys like Ballan and Gerrans. And hold off the entire Garmin plus HTC plus Lotto team chasing them.
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Faserr said:
i watched the highlights video uploaded on cyclingtorrents.nl .at km 27 it was the only climb of the day.hermans,ballan and ponzi attacked.suddenly at 6:48(in that video) greipel attacks and goss looks kind of tired.it will be so funny to see tomorrow greipel attacking and losing gossy and the other sprinters.
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Kwibus said:
it was a 2 men sprint vs Gerrans at the Jayco Bay, when he won his stage. I wouldn't compare that with a bunch finish.
jens_attacks said:
ok, thanks. Perhaps he really has some decent climbing shape.
Tomorrow will be an interesting stage, because of the situation in the classement.
I think Kwibus refers to another stage, where he beat Goss in a sprint on the flat, for 3d place behind the breakaway. He stole some valuable bonus seconds there. Unfortunately for him, the next day Goss beat Matthews and took the overall.search said:
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