Tour Match Up: Gesink v Van Den Broeck

[just some guy]

According to Eddy Merckx Gesink will win the Tour de France !
read it today in an additional magazine of Grinta!

2011 ? Might get 3rd but win nope

Can see in a couple of years getting the win. Not this year

 

[El Pistolero]

2011 ? Might get 3rd but win nope

Can see in a couple of years getting the win. Not this year

No way, he's not on the level of Contador and Andy. Andy is only one year older and Gesink will be old as well by the time Contador is past his peak anyway.

I can see VDB2 and Gesink win a Vuelta though...

 

[Michielveedeebee]

2011 ? Might get 3rd but win nope

Can see in a couple of years getting the win. Not this year

2011 indeed! and if peter velits can get third in the Vuelta Gesink and VdB must indeed be able to win one ...

 

[Spine Concept]

2011 indeed! and if peter velits can get third in the Vuelta Gesink and VdB must indeed be able to win one ...

Gesink was well on his way to a podium place in the Vuelta 09. We all know what happened there.
I think he has a great shot at winning the Giro or the Vuelta right now. I can see Gesink winning the Tour someday, maybe after all of the experience and confidence gained from winning the other GT's - if he ever chooses to do so. Let's see how much he has really improved this year in the tour when he hits his peak to get a better idea of where he stands.
It is clear that Contador and A. Schleck are a class above everyone else in climbing at the moment. Thus, right now, I wouldn't put my money on Gesink winning the tour.

 

[theyoungest]

Merkcx said Gesink could win the Tour de France after winning a race nearly as prestigious, the Tour of Oman. Maybe they recycled this quote?

 

[Michielveedeebee]

Merkcx said Gesink could win the Tour de France after winning a race nearly as prestigious, the Tour of Oman. Maybe they recycled this quote?

Nope, it was an interview and they asked him to predict the winner of RvV PR TdF and 2 other races... He said Gesink for TdF, Gilbert/Canc for RvV...

 

[El Pistolero]

Nope, it was an interview and they asked him to predict the winner of RvV PR TdF and 2 other races... He said Gesink for TdF, Gilbert/Canc for RvV...

Hah, picking Cancellara for RVV is even more disillusioned than picking Gesink for the Tour

We all know Gilbert will win it for the years to come.

(please don't take this seriously)

 

[DenisMenchov]

Jurgen Van den Broeck has 3 times more fans on Facebook than Gesink.

 

[Logic-is-your-friend]

I'm pretty sure the logic guy is making some assumptions based on this race.

I'm pretty sure I saw him say somewhere that Gesink always trails and is back to himself doing so and then attacks in the final km.
Indeed he likes to attack in the last km or two, but he is not a wheel sucker, to contrary. Also that gesink always rides at the back. Other then this race it has been rare. He sometimes has poor positioning, but he doesn't usually ride at the back. And yeah is you wanna base your prediction on a gesink-will-crash situation, good for you.

Again Logic thinks the youngest is getting confidence from the 8 secs gained today, which isn't true, he lacks perspective. Rather it is the level gesink is at, and the intense training still to come. Signs are looking very positive for Gesink, but yeah we are basing our confidence on 10 seconds gained on kern.

Buddy, the performances compared to other riders on this climb meant little.
What it did reveal was Gesink's level. He is not at his peak, he is where he wants to be. The gaps and seconds made on the climb is not what we (or myself and I suspect the others) are getting our confidence from, so your point is mute.

Actually, your entire post is moot. Just like this entire debate. That was basically my point in the first post i posted in this thread, to which i refered in the post you are trying to analyse. Alas, you missed that part.

While Gesink was taking a nap in the back of the peleton throughout this week, JVDB was riding an actual race in the front. Preperation and what the best or smartest thing to do is with the TDF coming up aside, there is no way to compare both efforts. Of course Gesink's riding the final two stages in the front seems to be a huge improvement. But is it? You don't know because in the other stages he didn''t even try, he could have been as good as that all week. So not only are you lacking a point of reference, Gesink also had the luxuary to enter the final two stages a lot fresher than the competition. And speaking of asumptions, why is the possibility that JVDB still has room for improvement being overlooked?

Other than that, it's quite silly to try and favor one over the other as they clearly will be very close. Unlike the result of this popularity poll.

 

[DenisMenchov]

Actually, your entire post is moot. Just like this entire debate. That was basically my point in the first post i posted in this thread, to which i refered in the post you are trying to analyse. Alas, you missed that part.

While Gesink was taking a nap in the back of the peleton throughout this week, JVDB was riding an actual race in the front. Preperation and what the best or smartest thing to do is with the TDF coming up aside, there is no way to compare both efforts. Of course Gesink's riding the final two stages in the front seems to be a huge improvement. But is it? You don't know because in the other stages he didn''t even try, he could have been as good as that all week. So not only are you lacking a point of reference, Gesink also had the luxuary to enter the final two stages a lot fresher than the competition. And speaking of asumptions, why is the possibility that JVDB still has room for improvement being overlooked?

Other than that, it's quite silly to try and favor one over the other as they clearly will be very close. Unlike the result of this popularity poll.

Is meaningless.

 

[Buffalo Soldier]

It would indeed be great to see one of the too trying to win Giro/Vuelta.
Would both easily have become 2nd in this year's giro (when in top form)

 

[Michielveedeebee]

It would indeed be great to see one of the too trying to win Giro/Vuelta.
Would both easily have become 2nd in this year's giro (when in top form)

on of the two ?

 

[Anonymous]

whats the consensus?

 

[Michielveedeebee]

whats the consensus?

They're pretty much eachothers equal

 

[Parrulo]

Would both easily have become 2nd in this year's giro (when in top form)

lol no way jose

 

[Anonymous]

They're pretty much eachothers equal

cool, so i guess this is like beauty lies in the eyes of the beholder thingy

 

[Kwibus]

They're pretty much eachothers equal

Nooo Neverrrr! Gesink is much betterrrr!! AAARRR

 

[Spine Concept]

Jurgen Van den Broeck has 3 times more fans on Facebook than Gesink.

Actually Mr. Ignoramus, Gesink has two Facebook pages which combined make for just more than half of VDB2's fans. Furthermore, as far as ludicrous arguments go, Gesink has a twitter account where he has more than 3 times the amount of followers/fans VDB2 has on his Facebook.

 

[Spine Concept]

Is meaningless.

It served it's purpose, it's meaningless if the result differs from your opinion.

 

[Spine Concept]

They're pretty much eachothers equal

I agree with this. Any difference between them will have to be gauged at the Tour where they will both be in top form - if all goes according to plan.

 

[DenisMenchov]

It served it's purpose, it's meaningless if the result differs from your opinion.

No, I can think that Cav will win the Tour, but it is meaningless because it doesn t have any impact on the race.

Any way it is not a poll who are you going to vote on your presidential elections, which would be an important poll, because your vote has an impact.

 

[Spine Concept]

No, I can think that Cav will win the Tour, but it is meaningless because it doesn t have any impact on the race.

Any way it is not a poll who are you going to vote on your presidential elections, which would be an important poll, because your vote has an impact.

Wow, you have taken ignorance to new heights with just one post.

First of all, this isn't a poll about who will win the Tour but which of the two riders will finish above the other. Thus, while your ridiculous statement is beyond the realms of possibility the results of this poll may very well be a reality come July. Unless you were referring to a completely different poll in this thread which would be meaningless indeed, but on your part.

Secondly, what does a presidential election have to do with anything in here? By that logic every poll on this forum is meaningless. This is a cycling forum, things which are important to cycling (enthusiasts) do not have anything to do with politics. That's a terrible analogy.
The results of the poll give an idea about the general opinion on the posed question. What's meaningless to you might be interesting to others. It's all relative. I sincerely hope you were kidding with that statement.

Finally, I'm starting to think that you're a closet VDB2 fanboy, thus I will take everything you say with a grain of salt from now on. I just hope you do not take things to the same extreme as Bavarian has been doing lately and lose the credibility you have left.

 

[DenisMenchov]

Ha, no Gesink there

 

[Dekker_Tifosi]

Shocking, Gesink not on the cover of some cycling magazine, yes this completely proves your point of him not being able to do well the coming Tour

 

[DenisMenchov]

Shocking, Gesink not on the cover of some cycling magazine, yes this completely proves your point of him not being able to do well the coming Tour

Thinking about changing the nickname into Gesink_Tiffosi?

I am starting to believe that you are his PR.