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Tour of Britain? Yeah Right!

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El Pistolero said:
And Northern France for some sections of Paris-Roubaix.

Or perhaps a classics cycling stage race of one week containing cobbled sections of Paris-Roubaix and the Ronde van Vlaanderen. Also containing some sections/hills of Luik-Bastenaken-Luik and if it's possible to stretch all the way to Italy to include some sections of Milan-Sanremo and the Giro di Lombardia. Would be totally epic.

Think 3000km in grand tour. Look at a map; logistically it would be relatively easy.

Just that outside the Benelux cycling isn't that popular. And there are few common cultural references between the places aside being close in Geography. I can pick my own idea apart better than you. This is "fantasy" race design!

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The green or race route is 2800km, the red is an air transfer and the blue is euro tunnel. I would put the stage finishes in London, Glasgow, Oslo, Copenhagen, Amsterdam and Brussels on Circuits.

My main sponsor would be north sea oil, SAS, or Stena Line.

This was a Grand Tour inspired by Team Sky. I reckon he'd have a fair shot at winning it to!
 
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Fester said:
Think 3000km in grand tour. Look at a map; logistically it would be relatively easy.

Just that outside the Benelux cycling isn't that popular. And there are few common cultural references between the places aside being close in Geography. I can pick my own idea apart better than you. This is "fantasy" race design!

2w2lg1k.jpg


The green or race route is 2800km, the red is an air transfer and the blue is euro tunnel. I would put the stage finishes in London, Glasgow, Oslo, Copenhagen, Amsterdam and Brussels on Circuits.

My main sponsor would be north sea oil, SAS, or Stena Line.

This was a Grand Tour inspired by Team Sky. I reckon he'd have a fair shot at winning it to!

That Tour would be so much more interesting then the Tour de France(Especially the Belgian part, hehe) :eek:

Who do you reckon would be a likely winner on such a Tour?
 
Libertine Seguros said:
The main problem with sending the Tour of Britain to being a REAL Tour of Britain is that a) most of the most interesting terrain is rather isolated, and the lack of knowledge of cycling in Britain means that few will trek to these isolated locations to see the few top level pros that show up, b) the way the race is funded means it's often loops or finishes quite close to one another funded by a county or city, meaning the transfers are already hideously long, and c) the rather engineered London crit finish (why not a circuit on the end of a trip in?) means you only really have seven stages to cover the whole of Britain, meaning in any given year lots of areas will get left out - especially given the tendency to use a few of the same areas (Blackpool, Stoke, Dartmoor) every year.

If you look at the route of races like the Tour of Poland, the Deutschlandtour and the Volta a Portugal, you'll notice that huge swathes of the country go ignored; it's just a general fact of dealing with short Tours around large countries; Portugal even has 11 days to go around a country far smaller than those with the Grand Tours, and is only covering half of itself this year. If England, Scotland and Wales were not separate entities, it wouldn't be so much of an issue, but the strong regional pride and national identity of the Scots and Welsh means that their absence from the race is noticed a lot more. I'm not saying that you don't have a right to complain (you do), but it's more clear than if, say, a citizen of Niedersachsen complains at the Deutschlandtour always missing their Land, or a citizen of Pomorskie complaining that their territory is always missed out from the Tour of Poland. This is the first time the East of England has hosted the Tour of Britain, but that's not so big a deal as it's only a region, not an actual country, so it's less a snub and more an omission.

It's also the case that a lot of the best terrain that could be used for a more challenging Tour of Britain is in Scotland and Wales, which makes it all the more easy to resent the Anglocentric approach.

However, another part of that is that there is precious little difficult racing in the national calendar. The biggest events are city centre crits and short course races. The Tour of Britain is eight stages, mostly flat. The national riders are geared up for flat races, and an eight day race taking in the sawtoothed terrain of a proper, good profile in Scotland, in parts of Wales and in the Lake District might be too much for them. There are precious few other stage races. A proper Tour of Scotland or Tour of Wales would be absolutely ideal - killing two birds with one stone in that it would give the riders experience of trickier stage racing, and allow the better terrain to be used. And then, with experience of setting races up in those areas they could make better cases to the ToB organisers.

Excellent post LS. Although I doubt there is any real resentment out there other than some mischevious bumping of tartan gums in the OP;) I was there when the TOB (or whatever it was called in 80's) started in Dundee up the Law climb. Oh how Kelly, Millar et al moaned at how stupidly hard it was for a prologue:)
 
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Roland Rat said:
It'd be great to see a proper 14-day ToB. Prologue followed by a couple of flat stages, then across the pennines and up to Scotland for a few hills. Then a couple of flat stages in the Midlands heading to Wales, and finally a few lumpy/flat stages back to the finish in London. Then it would also be a proper race rather than the sprinter roadshow.


As for new races - a Tour of the Commonwealth would be fun! Would put the Giro's pathetically small USA-Italy transfer to shame.

A mtf up mt baw baw in melb would be cool. It is epic with the last 6 k's at 10-11%
 
Fester said:
Think 3000km in grand tour. Look at a map; logistically it would be relatively easy.

Just that outside the Benelux cycling isn't that popular. And there are few common cultural references between the places aside being close in Geography. I can pick my own idea apart better than you. This is "fantasy" race design!

2w2lg1k.jpg


The green or race route is 2800km, the red is an air transfer and the blue is euro tunnel. I would put the stage finishes in London, Glasgow, Oslo, Copenhagen, Amsterdam and Brussels on Circuits.

My main sponsor would be north sea oil, SAS, or Stena Line.

This was a Grand Tour inspired by Team Sky. I reckon he'd have a fair shot at winning it to!

You don't need air transfers for the red bit. Just ask Chiapucci! :)
 
Fester said:
Think 3000km in grand tour. Look at a map; logistically it would be relatively easy.

Just that outside the Benelux cycling isn't that popular. And there are few common cultural references between the places aside being close in Geography. I can pick my own idea apart better than you. This is "fantasy" race design!

2w2lg1k.jpg


The green or race route is 2800km, the red is an air transfer and the blue is euro tunnel. I would put the stage finishes in London, Glasgow, Oslo, Copenhagen, Amsterdam and Brussels on Circuits.

My main sponsor would be north sea oil, SAS, or Stena Line.

This was a Grand Tour inspired by Team Sky. I reckon he'd have a fair shot at winning it to!
You could possibly slip in a detour for a TTT on the TT course.
 
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valentius borealis said:
You could possibly slip in a detour for a TTT on the TT course.

Yes, with so many class riders from there it would be appropriate.

I think the rider to win such a grand Tour would be EBH.
 
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VeloEcosse said:
Can someone explain to me why we have a "Tour of Britain" that does not take in Scotland or Norther Ireland? I know for a fact that most Scottish towns would love a stage of the race and would pay for the privilege as they do in TdF.

Some of the best cycling routes around the UK are in Scotland & Northern Ireland. Not trying to be too provincial but I hate a marketeers idea of what a Tour should be.

Answers/comments/defenses etc...on a postcard please.:D
Sorry to barge in without reading the thread, and no doubt it has been pointed out ten times, but Northern Ireland is no more in Great Britain than the republic of Ireland is. Scotland, Wales and England are physically part of the island of Great Britain, Ireland is a physical island called ....... Ireland, and the northern part of it is under british rule but physically not in Britain, but part of the United Kingdom.

The number of british people who don't even know that nor care is a little bit scary tbh.
Having a "tour of Britain" go through northern Ireland will likely bring in the petrol bombs on it.
Just saying.
 
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nia O'Malley said:
Sorry to barge in without reading the thread, and no doubt it has been pointed out ten times, but Northern Ireland is no more in Great Britain than the republic of Ireland is. Scotland, Wales and England are physically part of the island of Great Britain, Ireland is a physical island called ....... Ireland, and the northern part of it is under british rule but physically not in Britain, but part of the United Kingdom.

The number of british people who don't even know that nor care is a little bit scary tbh.
Having a "tour of Britain" go through northern Ireland will likely bring in the petrol bombs on it.
Just saying.

I think that's a bit far fetched to be honest.

I was part of the FBD Ras which had a stage finish in Northern Ireland. The race was very well received by all parts of the community. The transition from Garda to PSNI at the border was extremely slick too.

Whatever anyones political leaning is, why would they complain. It's not really any different to the TDF visiting another country.
 

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