Tour of Pologne 2015(2.UWT) 2-8.08

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roundabout said:
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You're all assuming that they started exactly 2 minutes apart from themselves which might not be the case. Also UCI officials are responsible for time measuring, not organizers. But that just me thinking...
It doesn't matter when they start. It's when their timing starts. And the timing starts every minute. So yes Kittel's time started exactly 2 minutes 0 seconds before Bialoblocki's.

Cyclinghub made a video about it.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hzNOX_kQ1SA
2.4.013 The start may be determined by the front tyre making contact with an electronic timing
strip on the start line. If the rider starts fractionally before the countdown reaches 0 or in the following 5 seconds the time it is triggered is used. If the rider starts after this 5 second delay has elapsed or in the event of problems with the electronic timing, the rider's time shall be counted as from the start of manual timing following the countdown.
That's what the rules say, so that may explain what actually happened
Those rules explain why we might have the discrepancy between Bialoblocki crossing the line 3-4secs after Kittel and the difference in their ITT times being 1:59 and not 1:56-1:57. However, they do not explain what happened. Polish TV showed Bialoblocki's start a few times. It looked standard. Hence, for such a difference occur, either Kittel started too early (I've no information on this), or there was an error in measuring at least one of Kittel's or Bialoblocki's times.

The Polish commentators gave an argument that Bialoblocki's signal had been disturbed by another rider. Obviously, transponders take some time to reset, but not 3-4 secs.

What the real times were, what the source of this difference was are unknown.
 
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Those controversies doesn't change that for me Białobłocki's display was shocking. I considered him as a fine GC/breakaway guy for continental races. I thought he will try show himself in the hilly stages, but he propably was saving up for this TT. Him winning the TT Nationals is still a shocker for me too. I didn't have any clue to his TT prowess. If I remember, his displays in the Tour of Britain were i think ok, in a great day to top to maybe even 10-15 but not to at least matching time with freakin' Kiryenka. If he will kip up his form and [clinic] won't be busted [/clinic] then he might do well in TT WC. And let's say if a person would tell me, that he considers such scenario then I would sincerely pack that person into the straightjacket. It kinda reminds me of a person looking similar to me who had a now very popular tranformation, but of course not in such scale.

Maybe i just didn't know his results enough. I'd read about Bałtyk-Karkonosze, where there is the annual TT up to Okraj pass, but i don't remember him being a threat there. I didn't watch the stage and didn't heard any of the polish commentators and international ones won't help, as they obviously didn't heard about Białobłocki much. Maybe i missed some lesser, regional stages where he was smashing TTs. But even if he did, then still being competitive with a top TTer like Kiryenka is shocking.
 
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Those controversies doesn't change that for me Białobłocki's display was shocking. I considered him as a fine GC/breakaway guy for continental races. I thought he will try show himself in the hilly stages, but he propably was saving up for this TT. Him winning the TT Nationals is still a shocker for me too. I didn't have any clue to his TT prowess. If I remember, his displays in the Tour of Britain were i think ok, in a great day to top to maybe even 10-15 but not to at least matching time with freakin' Kiryenka. If he will kip up his form and [clinic] won't be busted [/clinic] then he might do well in TT WC. And let's say if a person would tell me, that he considers such scenario then I would sincerely pack that person into the straightjacket. It kinda reminds me of a person looking similar to me who had a now very popular tranformation, but of course not in such scale.

Maybe i just didn't know his results enough. I'd read about Bałtyk-Karkonosze, where there is the annual TT up to Okraj pass, but i don't remember him being a threat there. I didn't watch the stage and didn't heard any of the polish commentators and international ones won't help, as they obviously didn't heard about Białobłocki much. Maybe i missed some lesser, regional stages where he was smashing TTs. But even if he did, then still being competitive with a top TTer like Kiryenka is shocking.
I agree with a lot of what you say. Certainly, the fact that there is controversy with regard to the timing is associated with the surprise of Bialoblocki competing with Kiryenka. One question is "was the Pole's time epsilon less or epsilon more than Kiryenka's time?" (the measurement question). The other question is "how the hell was he at that level anyway, when he's almost unknown at 31?"

One thing that I would disagree about is comparing this ITT with the one up to Okraj, which is an MTT (OK, by GT standards, not a difficult one, but one in which all rounders, rather than TT specialists would be competitive). Bialoblocki has done a lot of racing in the UK, where Sunday morning time trials up and down a dual carriageway are one important aspect of the sport. Apart from the very beginning and end of the time trial, this was such a time trial. Bialoblocki is very successful on the UK circuit, so I would expect him to relatively well in such a time trial. However, relatively well does not mean at the level of Kiryenka and way ahead of everybody else.

The big difference of the times of Bialoblocki and Kiryenka in comparison with the times of the others also seems surprising given it was not really a selective ITT (OK, possibly reasonable in Kiryenka's case, but Flens is pretty handy against the clock). But that is just an aside.
 
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